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Docker is dead? Podman – an alternative tool?

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Post by F_J_H » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 12:22 AM UTC

Docker is dead? Podman – an alternative tool?
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Re: Docker is dead? Podman – an alternative tool?

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Post by studmuffin650 » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 1:09 AM UTC

Lack of mention of podman machine seems like big miss when talking about podman as an alternative to Docker.

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Post by ravenstine » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 1:13 AM UTC

studmuffin650 wrote: post #2

Lack of mention of podman machine seems like big miss when talking about podman as an alternative to Docker.

Wouldn't Lima serve that role?

https://github.com/lima-vm/lima

If memory serves me right, it works with Podman.

Re: Docker is dead? Podman – an alternative tool?

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Post by bobobob420 » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 1:15 AM UTC

docker is far far far far from dead. I frankly do not seeing it going away for a looong time because it is generally a great and well supported product. Theres lots of information on issues and fixes and tons of developers using in across many large corporations

Re: Docker is dead? Podman – an alternative tool?

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Post by Havoc » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 1:20 AM UTC

ravenstine wrote: post #3

studmuffin650 wrote: post #2

Lack of mention of podman machine seems like big miss when talking about podman as an alternative to Docker.

Wouldn't Lima serve that role? https://github.com/lima-vm/lima If memory serves me right, it works with Podman.

Lima is mentioned in the article.

Re: Docker is dead? Podman – an alternative tool?

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Post by Havoc » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 1:24 AM UTC

Think it is rapidly moving towards being more of a data carrier/format rather than being dead per se.

Half the time you're jamming it into some cloud service anyway where you have no idea what GCP/fly/aws is using under the hood to actually run it.

Meaning this discussion is more relevant to the self-hosted context. In which case I'd say containerization isn't really security. So in my mind that residual risk of the daemon being root is inconsequential. (Or if not use a VM).

Re: Docker is dead? Podman – an alternative tool?

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Post by ravenstine » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 1:30 AM UTC

Havoc wrote: post #5

ravenstine wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't Lima serve that role? https://github.com/lima-vm/lima If memory serves me right, it works with Podman.

Lima is mentioned in the article.

It's mentioned as an alternative, but not as something that works tandem to Podman.

Re: Docker is dead? Podman – an alternative tool?

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Post by pid-1 » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 1:42 AM UTC

Docker for Desktop went from being complete garbage to a really nice product.

I think Docker folks are heavily focused on providing great local development experiences, which is a niche few other products are covering.

Re: Docker is dead? Podman – an alternative tool?

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Post by redisman » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 2:29 AM UTC

bobobob420 wrote: post #4

docker is far far far far from dead. I frankly do not seeing it going away for a looong time because it is generally a great and well supported product. Theres lots of information on issues and fixes and tons of developers using in across many large corporations

Agreed. It’s simple (compared to k8s) and covers most companies needs perfectly well

Re: Docker is dead? Podman – an alternative tool?

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Post by tragictrash » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 3:22 AM UTC

OCI compatible containers are the future, docker and podman both classify as such.

https://opencontainers.org/

That being said, docker blows. Docker desktop blows more. Docker desktop on Windows blows the most. I always get stuck with a bind mount misbehaving, or some other issue that requires me to wipe the docker desktop data to fix it. Just use docker compose for simple stuff, and stay away from docker for Windows if possible.