Evidence and strategies for alcohol control as crime control

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Post by objections » Thu, May 26, 2022, 2:48 AM UTC

Evidence and strategies for alcohol control as crime control
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Post by codefreeordie » Thu, May 26, 2022, 5:03 AM UTC

Evidence and strategies for people control in the name of crime control.

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Post by mvdwoord » Thu, May 26, 2022, 12:14 PM UTC

codefreeordie wrote: post #2

Evidence and strategies for people control in the name of crime control.

Evidence and strategies for genocide in name of people control.

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Post by pjc50 » Thu, May 26, 2022, 12:16 PM UTC

codefreeordie wrote: post #2

Evidence and strategies for people control in the name of crime control.

I mean .. yes? Crime is committed by people. To control crime is necessarily to control people, to coerce them into not performing certain acts. Laws, courts, police: all systems of control.

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Post by Chris2048 » Thu, May 26, 2022, 12:20 PM UTC

codefreeordie wrote: post #2

Evidence and strategies for people control in the name of crime control.

If you can be controlled through access to alcohol, I'd say you have a problem.

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Post by hoppyhoppy2 » Thu, May 26, 2022, 12:23 PM UTC

Interesting stuff.

Before controlling alcohol (which is largely a symptom of the real problem, imo) what about evidence and strategies for income inequality control as crime control? https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-star...

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 » Thu, May 26, 2022, 12:26 PM UTC

Chris2048 wrote: post #5

codefreeordie wrote: post #2

Evidence and strategies for people control in the name of crime control.

If you can be controlled through access to alcohol, I'd say you have a problem.

This is true, the hard truth is that many people do have a problem with alcohol.

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 » Thu, May 26, 2022, 12:31 PM UTC

hoppyhoppy2 wrote: post #6

Interesting stuff. Before controlling alcohol (which is largely a symptom of the real problem, imo) what about evidence and strategies for income inequality control as crime control? https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-star...

The problem with that solution, which I agree is better, is that helping poor people not be poor is unpopular with the people who have the means to provide that help.

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Post by foxhill » Thu, May 26, 2022, 12:31 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #4

codefreeordie wrote: post #2

Evidence and strategies for people control in the name of crime control.

I mean .. yes? Crime is committed by people. To control crime is necessarily to control people, to coerce them into not performing certain acts. Laws, courts, police: all systems of control.

would you consider, say, making camping in public a felony the same sort of “control” as education, affordable housing, job opportunities, etc.? specifically with respect to solving homelessness.

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Post by tonis2 » Thu, May 26, 2022, 12:31 PM UTC

hoppyhoppy2 wrote: post #6

Interesting stuff. Before controlling alcohol (which is largely a symptom of the real problem, imo) what about evidence and strategies for income inequality control as crime control? https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-star...

Alcohol can be a symptom, but having more money doesn't make you necessarily drink less.

So I think Alcohol is a problem on its own, and it also causes a lot of families to stay stuck on low paying jobs.