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Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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> We find that burglaries ... decreased in those with more gun permits

Interesting find. Although this doesn't mean guns prevent burglaries just by mere presence. And if anything it ends in bloodshed because thieves get shot at upon a breach and it's not necessarily a safer scenario.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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> We find that burglaries ... decreased in those with more gun permits Interesting find. Although this doesn't mean guns prevent burglaries just by mere presence. And if anything it ends in bloodshed because thieves get shot at upon a breach and it's not necessarily a safer scenario.

the important thing is that it was:

> after the database was publicized

It seems they couldn't confirm if burglaries were prevented or merely moved the burglaries to low gun zipcodes, but they felt they had weak evidence for a drop in burglaries in total

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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> We find that burglaries ... decreased in those with more gun permits Interesting find. Although this doesn't mean guns prevent burglaries just by mere presence. And if anything it ends in bloodshed because thieves get shot at upon a breach and it's not necessarily a safer scenario.

This reminds me of one of my favorite (due to its uniqueness) local laws in the US:

> In Kennesaw, Georgia, local law says that “every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm.” “If you're going to commit a crime in Kennesaw and you're the criminal – are you going to take a chance that that homeowner is a law-abiding citizen?” asked Kennesaw Mayor Derek Easterling

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/06/us/kennesaw-georgia-gun-owner...

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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> We find that burglaries ... decreased in those with more gun permits Interesting find. Although this doesn't mean guns prevent burglaries just by mere presence. And if anything it ends in bloodshed because thieves get shot at upon a breach and it's not necessarily a safer scenario.

This reminds me of one of my favorite (due to its uniqueness) local laws in the US: > In Kennesaw, Georgia, local law says that “every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm.” “If you're going to commit a crime in Kennesaw and you're the criminal – are you going to take a chance that that homeowner is a law-abiding citizen?” asked Kennesaw Mayor Derek Easterling https://www.cn…

Gun question not withstanding, am I the head of my household or is my wife?

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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> We find that burglaries ... decreased in those with more gun permits Interesting find. Although this doesn't mean guns prevent burglaries just by mere presence. And if anything it ends in bloodshed because thieves get shot at upon a breach and it's not necessarily a safer scenario.

> And if anything it ends in bloodshed because thieves get shot at upon a breach and it's not necessarily a safer scenario.

It’s safer overall if it means there are fewer people willing to rob a home, whether it’s because (1) they’ve seen what happens to other people when they try, or (2) they themselves tried, and now cannot try again.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of one of my favorite (due to its uniqueness) local laws in the US: > In Kennesaw, Georgia, local law says that “every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm.” “If you're going to commit a crime in Kennesaw and you're the criminal – are you going to take a chance that that homeowner is a law-abiding citizen?” asked Kennesaw Mayor Derek Easterling https://www.cn…

Gun question not withstanding, am I the head of my household or is my wife?

Yes.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of one of my favorite (due to its uniqueness) local laws in the US: > In Kennesaw, Georgia, local law says that “every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm.” “If you're going to commit a crime in Kennesaw and you're the criminal – are you going to take a chance that that homeowner is a law-abiding citizen?” asked Kennesaw Mayor Derek Easterling https://www.cn…

Gun question not withstanding, am I the head of my household or is my wife?

I’m not sure how they define it, but it’s also moot; the law was meant to be a political statement, and doesn’t actually mandate ownership of a gun:

Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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> We find that burglaries ... decreased in those with more gun permits Interesting find. Although this doesn't mean guns prevent burglaries just by mere presence. And if anything it ends in bloodshed because thieves get shot at upon a breach and it's not necessarily a safer scenario.

Where I live many households own firearms (likely around 50%+). B&E is nearly non-existent in homes, but we get a fair share of overnight car break ins though. These are usually opportunistic where the cars are unlocked and the theft can be achieved quietly and quickly. Porch pirates as well.

I definitely attribute the lack of household break ins to be a correlated to the number of gun households. Areas with a high degree of gun ownership and castle laws, there is a pretty big deterrent to the criminal to find their prey elsewhere. Just too much risk for the minimal rewards you find in most homes.

Re: Guns, Privacy, and Crime

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I'm a bit surprised, I would have guessed publishing permit holder locations would have lead to organized and targeted attempts to monitor and steal guns from the households listed. (In the same sort of way I'd expect people to smash and grab a truck with an NRA sticker to maybe find a gun in the glove box.)

Edit: Would it be different if the publication didn't bin by zip code?

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