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Tony Fadell: The Nest Thermostat Disrupted My Life

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Re: Tony Fadell: The Nest Thermostat Disrupted My Life

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> Shipping the Nest thermostat with a screwdriver "turned a moment of frustration into a moment of delight"

I must be in the minority then. I end up with a ton of these product-specific screwdrivers and get a little frustrated that I have to throw it away, contributing ever-so-slightly to the pile of consumer waste.

It'd be cool if you could select a "need tools" option sort of like how take out now has a "need utensils" option.

Re: Tony Fadell: The Nest Thermostat Disrupted My Life

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"Every time my wife and I drove up to our Lake Tahoe ski cabin on Friday nights after work, we’d have to keep our snow jackets on until the next day. The house took all night to heat up."

That is first world problems hall of fame material right there!

But a great origin story for the Nest regardless.

Re: Tony Fadell: The Nest Thermostat Disrupted My Life

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> Shipping the Nest thermostat with a screwdriver "turned a moment of frustration into a moment of delight" I must be in the minority then. I end up with a ton of these product-specific screwdrivers and get a little frustrated that I have to throw it away, contributing ever-so-slightly to the pile of consumer waste. It'd be cool if you could select a "need tools" option sort of like how take out now has a "need utens…

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Re: Tony Fadell: The Nest Thermostat Disrupted My Life

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We have a Nest thermostat, we have now turned off every single smart feature and just use it for a schedule and turning it on/off remotely when away (we gave up with the automatic away detection). I should also point out we are in the UK. I’m completely unconvinced that “smart” thermostats achieve anything for the majority of homes in the UK, despite most energy suppliers pushing customers to purchase them for years.

For those unaware, the majority of homes in the UK have a gas boiler central heating system with TRVs on each radiator. This means that you end up with two competing temperature control systems in your home, which result in some rooms regularly being too cold/hot, it literally worse than have no central thermostat.

We now have the Nest set to about 5deg higher than we want, then have all the TRVs set to what we want each room to be.

In our last house we had the Tado system with “smart” electric TRVs, you would think that would solve the problems, but it was flaky, noisy and very expensive.

If I was doing it again I would get whatever the cheapest boiler controller with remote (internet) control I could find. But then I would probably not be putting in a gas boiler again, I'm hoping that by next time we need to overhaul a heating system heat pump systems have dropped in price in the UK.

I'm sure that in countries where people tend to have forced air HVAC systems these thermostats make a lot more sense. And I do love the industrial design, it is a "beautiful" thermostat.

Re: Tony Fadell: The Nest Thermostat Disrupted My Life

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When I read the headline, I assumed that this was going to be a negative review from a user.

We got a Nest thermostat for free as part of a SolarCity solar panel installation, and I spent months fighting with it to try and make it do what I told it. The Nest has a motion sensor on it, which is how it determines whether to turn on the energy saving mode - if it senses that you're home it will run at the set temperature, otherwise it will disobey your commands and go to the configured energy saving temperature. There were 2 problems with this, one universal and one application-specific: first, if you live in anything other than a small apartment your thermostat may be in a different room from you. In our 2-story house, the Nest thinks nobody is home unless you're specifically in the living room. The 2 2nd-floor bedrooms, the 1st-floor bedroom, the kitchen, the basement, the dining room, and the 1st-floor office all don't count. In our house specifically the thermostat was installed behind a wall-mounted TV, which only makes things worse - even if you're in the living room, the Nest thinks nobody is home unless you're actively playing with it.

Trying to make the Nest ignore whether you're home and disable the eco mode is an exercise in futility. I found a setting to disable eco mode, but the house was still never the temperature we set it to. When I checked the thermostat I saw the green leaf icon, indicating that the Nest completely ignores the setting that disables eco mode. When I called Nest support, they couldn't figure out what was going on either. The only way I could get it to function semi-reasonably was to manually set the eco mode temperature to the temperature we actually wanted the house at, which means that you have to set the temperature twice to actually set the temperature.

The idea of a thermostat that tries to save power automatically is great, but it falls apart when you rely on a single motion sensor to determine if an entire house is occupied. This bad assumption was a letdown, but the fake setting to disable eco mode turned me off of Nest completely.

Re: Tony Fadell: The Nest Thermostat Disrupted My Life

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We have a Nest thermostat, we have now turned off every single smart feature and just use it for a schedule and turning it on/off remotely when away (we gave up with the automatic away detection). I should also point out we are in the UK. I’m completely unconvinced that “smart” thermostats achieve anything for the majority of homes in the UK, despite most energy suppliers pushing customers to purchase them for years.…

I find even here that the “smart” features basically come down to “I can bump the temperature from my couch” and not much more.

Ever since work from home the “away” hasn’t mattered much and the house has so much thermal mass that letting it cool down a bit when we are actually away doesn’t seem to do much at all.

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