Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation

#1

Post by niklasmtj » Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 9:56 AM UTC

Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation
theverge.com

Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation

#2

Post by MeteorMarc » Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 10:19 AM UTC

It will be fun to see Google's algorithm for ranking search results.

Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation

#3

Post by Proven » Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 10:25 AM UTC

No post body was provided.

Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation

#4

Post by otherotherchris » Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 10:29 AM UTC

MeteorMarc wrote: post #2

It will be fun to see Google's algorithm for ranking search results.

"Here's 100PiB of unlabeled neural net weights. Knock yourselves out."

Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation

#5

Post by jasfi » Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 10:30 AM UTC

If you read the article they're asking for more than explaining algorithms. Overall they want the the tech providers to be responsible.

Explaining algorithms could, in theory, give away a competitive advantage. However fairness to users seems to be a priority in this decision.

Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation

#6

Post by jasfi » Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 10:31 AM UTC

otherotherchris wrote: post #4

MeteorMarc wrote: post #2

It will be fun to see Google's algorithm for ranking search results.

"Here's 100PiB of unlabeled neural net weights. Knock yourselves out."

They want to know how the algorithms work, not the data itself.

Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation

#7

Post by otherotherchris » Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 10:31 AM UTC

jasfi wrote: post #6

otherotherchris wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Here's 100PiB of unlabeled neural net weights. Knock yourselves out."

They want to know how the algorithms work, not the data itself.

Google doesn't know what the algorithm is anymore. The whole site is a black box.

Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation

#8

Post by Irishsteve » Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 10:33 AM UTC

The new regulation requires a hand-wavey style explanation i.e build a retrieval / ranking / matching algorithm that learns from customer clicks and considers blah blah.

There will be no explanation of the actual algorithm.

Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation

#9

Post by jasfi » Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 10:35 AM UTC

otherotherchris wrote: post #7

jasfi wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They want to know how the algorithms work, not the data itself.

Google doesn't know what the algorithm is anymore. The whole site is a black box.

I doubt it, they should know what the various algorithms are, especially the most important ones that drive most of the ranking. But their competitive advantage would be on the line.

Re: Google, Meta, others will have to explain algorithms under new EU legislation

#10

Post by otherotherchris » Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 10:35 AM UTC

jasfi wrote: post #5

If you read the article they're asking for more than explaining algorithms. Overall they want the the tech providers to be responsible. Explaining algorithms could, in theory, give away a competitive advantage. However fairness to users seems to be a priority in this decision.

Things like "fairness" aren't defined in the legislation and will be determined in smoke filled rooms by shadowy moneyed interests.

Ordinary users will get censored. By the courts, by unelected regulators, and by Big Tech AI zealously nuking content to avoid arbitrary fines. It's content ID on steroids.