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#2> There are arguably too many people being trained as graduate students and post-docs compared to the number of academic positions available.
Is there anything actually being done to solve this problem? Note that I'd include stable research positions in government and industry in addition to stable academic positions.
Don't get me wrong. It's nice to see more people talking about this problem, but talking about it alone won't solve it.
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#4Foremost this is very cool and hope you guys the best.
Reading through the "High-Risk, High-Reward Research" page I do find myself wondering the moral aspects that this brings up. Golden Ticket holders being able to get funding for what ever they want even when other reviewers disagree is great, but what kind of governance takes place over legal grey areas or things that are ahead of current legislation and falls into an ethical dilemma?
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#5There's a serious omission in this organizations list of concerns, namely the increasing control of academic research by corporate interests and the resulting attack on traditional academic norms of open sharing of research results. See the 2005 text by J. Washburn, "University Inc: The corporate corruption of higher education" (intro):
http://kropfpolisci.com/higher.education.washburn.pdf
> "The problem is not university-industry relationships per se; it is the elimination of any clear boundary lines separating academia from commerce. Today, market forces are dictating what is happening in the world of higher education as never before, causing universities to engage in commercial activities unheard of in academia a mere generation ago. Universities now routinely operate complex patenting and licensing operations to market their faculty's inventions (extracting royalty income and other fees in return). They invest their endowment money in risky start-up firms founded by their professors. They run their own industrial parks, venture-capital funds, and for- profit companies, and they publish newsletters encouraging faculty members to commercialize their research by going into business. Often, when a professor becomes the CEO of a new start- up, there is considerable overlap between the research taking place on campus and at the firm, a situation ripe for confusion and conflicts of interest. The question of who owns academic research has grown increasingly contentious, as the openness and sharing that once characterized university life has given way to a new proprietary culture more akin to the business world."
These problems have only gotten worse in the past 15 years; a nice example is the remdesivir story (a Covid-19 treatment whose discovery was financed by taxpayers yet which ended up under the exclusive control of Gilead Inc.)
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-law-medic...
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#6> There are arguably too many people being trained as graduate students and post-docs compared to the number of academic positions available. Is there anything actually being done to solve this problem? Note that I'd include stable research positions in government and industry in addition to stable academic positions. Don't get me wrong. It's nice to see more people talking about this problem, but talking about it al…
The problem is that those in charge disagree with that. When I brought this up after a recent policy change at my department to not allow hiring own PhDs as postdocs (because they should go to another lab, as this is what your CV is expected to look like), I was told that a Phd programme should not be seen as a path towards an academic research career. In contrast, I was told that it is very important to train as many PhD students as possible, that all don't stay in academia, so they can bring scientific thinking to all areas of society. Unfortunately, starting PhD students, of which 99% do this explicitly to do research, are not aware of this, and neither do PhD programmes offer any specific training for a non-academic career.
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#7> There are arguably too many people being trained as graduate students and post-docs compared to the number of academic positions available. Is there anything actually being done to solve this problem? Note that I'd include stable research positions in government and industry in addition to stable academic positions. Don't get me wrong. It's nice to see more people talking about this problem, but talking about it al…
They seem to be taking issue with the "up or out" mentality of academia, and it's hard to fix academic mentality without talking about it and trying to change people's minds.
I don't know how effective it will be, but it is a problem: Imagine a police department that fires everyone after 8 years total work experience, unless they are promoted to chief. It sounds ridiculous, but we typically hold on to researchers for a 5 year PhD + a 3-5 year postdoc. After that the expectation is that they should run their own group.
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#8> There are arguably too many people being trained as graduate students and post-docs compared to the number of academic positions available. Is there anything actually being done to solve this problem? Note that I'd include stable research positions in government and industry in addition to stable academic positions. Don't get me wrong. It's nice to see more people talking about this problem, but talking about it al…
They seem to be taking issue with the "up or out" mentality of academia, and it's hard to fix academic mentality without talking about it and trying to change people's minds. I don't know how effective it will be, but it is a problem: Imagine a police department that fires everyone after 8 years total work experience, unless they are promoted to chief. It sounds ridiculous, but we typically hold on to researchers for…
> Imagine a police department that fires everyone after 8 years total work experience, unless they are promoted to chief. It sounds ridiculous, but we typically hold on to researchers for a 5 year PhD + a 3-5 year postdoc. After that the expectation is that they should run their own group.
I love this analogy.
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#9There's a serious omission in this organizations list of concerns, namely the increasing control of academic research by corporate interests and the resulting attack on traditional academic norms of open sharing of research results. See the 2005 text by J. Washburn, "University Inc: The corporate corruption of higher education" (intro): http://kropfpolisci.com/higher.education.washburn.pdf > "The problem is not unive…
Is the pitch directly to taxpayers? There have been lawsuits (by faculty even..including one in which the DOE was deposed) to rein in misappropriation of funds etc., but it seems like the agencies themselves don't care about conflicts of interest at these universities (and basically encourage them). Is it a research organization that says: 'Hey...we only do open source patents'?
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#10> There are arguably too many people being trained as graduate students and post-docs compared to the number of academic positions available. Is there anything actually being done to solve this problem? Note that I'd include stable research positions in government and industry in addition to stable academic positions. Don't get me wrong. It's nice to see more people talking about this problem, but talking about it al…
The problem is that those in charge disagree with that. When I brought this up after a recent policy change at my department to not allow hiring own PhDs as postdocs (because they should go to another lab, as this is what your CV is expected to look like), I was told that a Phd programme should not be seen as a path towards an academic research career. In contrast, I was told that it is very important to train as man…
One solution would be to push more people towards MS degrees, which should be no more than 2-3 years in duration and focused on gaining skills and experience valuable in the private sector.