California proposes 4-day work week without pay cut for large companies
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Re: California proposes 4-day work week without pay cut for large companies
#2Imagine calling our government democratic after they mandate giving everyone a 20% raise.
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Re: California proposes 4-day work week without pay cut for large companies
#4Imagine calling our government democratic after they mandate giving everyone a 20% raise.
Democracy results in mandates, just like any other form of government.
It's not a 20% raise. This is the same pay for the same amount of work. It just cuts mandatory hours "on the clock" when no work is actually getting done.
Workers are still 100% responsible for the same full week of work and can be fired if they don't do it.
> "The idea is that employees work 80% of the time for 100% of the pay and maintain 100% productivity. It comes down to working more efficiently, including cutting back on unnecessary meetings."
Re: California proposes 4-day work week without pay cut for large companies
#5Imagine calling our government democratic after they mandate giving everyone a 20% raise.
Democracy results in mandates, just like any other form of government. It's not a 20% raise. This is the same pay for the same amount of work. It just cuts mandatory hours "on the clock" when no work is actually getting done. Workers are still 100% responsible for the same full week of work and can be fired if they don't do it. > "The idea is that employees work 80% of the time for 100% of the pay and maintain 100% p…
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#6I assume that this has zero chance of passing but I wonder if the legislature realizes that these lame duck proposals -- like the varrious wealth tax proposals-- have a real and negative effect on the state.
[Not that I don't agree that many places would be better off with 4 day work weeks. But many wouldn't, and the prospect of paying people the same even when some people work in jobs where their productivity is very much directly in proportion to the time the work... is just pretty much nuts.]
Re: California proposes 4-day work week without pay cut for large companies
#7I assume that this has zero chance of passing but I wonder if the legislature realizes that these lame duck proposals -- like the varrious wealth tax proposals-- have a real and negative effect on the state. [Not that I don't agree that many places would be better off with 4 day work weeks. But many wouldn't, and the prospect of paying people the same even when some people work in jobs where their productivity is ver…
> these lame duck proposals -- like the varrious wealth tax proposals-- have a real and negative effect on the state
Why? Because it gives people ideas?
Re: California proposes 4-day work week without pay cut for large companies
#8I assume that this has zero chance of passing but I wonder if the legislature realizes that these lame duck proposals -- like the varrious wealth tax proposals-- have a real and negative effect on the state. [Not that I don't agree that many places would be better off with 4 day work weeks. But many wouldn't, and the prospect of paying people the same even when some people work in jobs where their productivity is ver…
> these lame duck proposals -- like the varrious wealth tax proposals-- have a real and negative effect on the state Why? Because it gives people ideas?
Yes. It gives business owners ideas to leave.
Re: California proposes 4-day work week without pay cut for large companies
#9I assume that this has zero chance of passing but I wonder if the legislature realizes that these lame duck proposals -- like the varrious wealth tax proposals-- have a real and negative effect on the state. [Not that I don't agree that many places would be better off with 4 day work weeks. But many wouldn't, and the prospect of paying people the same even when some people work in jobs where their productivity is ver…
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> these lame duck proposals -- like the varrious wealth tax proposals-- have a real and negative effect on the state Why? Because it gives people ideas?
Yes. It gives business owners ideas to leave.
Good.
The US is supposed to be a "free market" of governments. Don't like the government in California? Go to another state. Don't like that businesses are leaving your state? Vote for someone else.
If you say that losing any businesses -- regardless of the potential benefits -- is unacceptable, then you essentially have a completely stagnant state.
If all the US states are stagnant like that, and there is no innovation in legislation, then we end up with problems that we never even try to solve.
California's economy is not going to die whether this bill passes or not (although it certainly will not).