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Who wins in Ukraine?

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Re: Who wins in Ukraine?

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But too much of Russian propaganda for my taste.

Yea, some of the points have merit, but it's a bit biased. The conclusion that Europe will move away from the US is dubious. I think most likely it will bring them all closer together. We're seeing even peoples in Finland and Sweden now in favor of joining NATO.. .

Re: Who wins in Ukraine?

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Wow, amazing how the guy interviewed in the video was 100% accurate in his analysis and predictions.

He really did say everything exactly right in retrospect. Maybe Russia is too predictable.

In case you missed this one, another great prediction from Nevzorov in 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OutvYSl_TLc

Re: Who wins in Ukraine?

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Wow, amazing how the guy interviewed in the video was 100% accurate in his analysis and predictions.

He really did say everything exactly right in retrospect. Maybe Russia is too predictable. In case you missed this one, another great prediction from Nevzorov in 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OutvYSl_TLc

That is an incredible link. Thanks for sharing.

Re: Who wins in Ukraine?

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But too much of Russian propaganda for my taste.

Thanks for reading. Would love to hear specifics on which facts were false / one-sided propaganda.

My conclusions may or may not end up being true, but hopefully we share the same premises of the conflict.

Re: Who wins in Ukraine?

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But too much of Russian propaganda for my taste.

Yea, some of the points have merit, but it's a bit biased. The conclusion that Europe will move away from the US is dubious. I think most likely it will bring them all closer together. We're seeing even peoples in Finland and Sweden now in favor of joining NATO.. .

> most likely it will bring them all closer together.

You are right, in that this will most likely be the short-term action. NATO / EU will be more tightly bound to the US out of necessity. But necessity does not engender gratitude and goodwill - usually it precipitates resentment and struggle. That is why in the long term, I predict poor relations between NATO / EU.

Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts.

Re: Who wins in Ukraine?

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The article starts with the revolution/coup in 2014 but completely ignores the nearly 8 years in between. Yes western nations encouraged/sponsored Maidan, yes Poroshenko was a stooge.

But something else happened. Poroshenko ended up being less of a stooge as time went on and Zelenskiy is anything but. When Zelenskiy was elected some thought he was too pro-Russia, as a Jew he certainly didn't identify with groups like Azov or Right Sector, his first language is Russian, etc... A lot of commentators and even Putin seem to focus on 2014 and not more recent happenings in Ukraine.

Who wins? No one. Ukrainians are suffering yet another genocide because Russia is being spiteful that they can't conquer Ukraine (due to massive corruption killing their military capabilities). Of course it's not the first time in history (basically all Ukrainian history is powers invading back and forth) so hopefully a stronger Ukraine comes out of this.

Re: Who wins in Ukraine?

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> We pushed Russia to the breaking point, and now we get to see what plays out.

I wish this argument would just die - it's all on Russia. No one has forced them to have imaginary "safety guarantees" or influence spheres. What people in the west doesn't seem to understand is that nothing has changed in terms of Russian politics since the WW2 - it's the continuation of the same politics of threats of aggression and playing the imaginary victim card and imperialistic politics.

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