Why I quit this battle

#1

Post by Flollop » Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 11:37 PM UTC

Re: Why I quit this battle

#2

Post by postingposts » Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 12:44 AM UTC

The optimistic side of me was briefly elated that, perhaps, since all modems had since become good, there were no longer any bad modems! Alas, reality.

Re: Why I quit this battle

#3

Post by chris_wot » Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 12:55 AM UTC

Who is this Kevin from DSLReport?

Re: Why I quit this battle

#4

Post by rob_c » Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 1:05 AM UTC

Unfortunately Ive seen a few other FOSS projects go the same way. Troll/bad-actor management is difficult and time consuming and takes a toll.

Thanks for all the fish!

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by joebob42 » Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 1:08 AM UTC

The guy comes off as kind of childish and the people on the site he links appear to know what they're talking about which makes me a bit skeptical.

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by fouc » Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 1:09 AM UTC

"What is the issue?" https://web.archive.org/web/20210506114456/https://badmodems...

> Some chip makers have hidden latency and jitter issues from common tests that are in use by consumers and even ISPs. Ping CANNOT be used reliably to test for latency or jitter.

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by codr7 » Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 1:14 AM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #3

Who is this Kevin from DSLReport?

Semi-famous camera guy, read a few of his camera reviews.

He seems to know what he's talking about, but is also invested enough to become a potential sell out.

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 1:21 AM UTC

codr7 wrote: post #7

chris_wot wrote: post #3

Who is this Kevin from DSLReport?

Semi-famous camera guy, read a few of his camera reviews. He seems to know what he's talking about, but is also invested enough to become a potential sell out.

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Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by exikyut » Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 1:22 AM UTC

Last snapshot on Oct 02 2021 before page was changed: https://web.archive.org/web/20211002154145/https://www.badmo...

The site seems to be focusing on latency/jitter issues: https://web.archive.org/web/20210506114456fw_/https://badmod...

I'm not entirely sure what to make of the information presented. The page above includes an embedded video demonstrating a difference between ICMP and TCP load-testing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15cJ400yR_E

I'm not knocking that there is interesting data, I'm rather trying to consider potential confounding factors that could call the conclusions being drawn into question.

In particular, I have two questions:

- This doesn't talk about "bufferbloat" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufferbloat) or internal buffering happening inside the modem, only latency/jitter. I'm honestly completely naive about the relationship between the two concepts, but I thought they had reasonable overlap, and could even potentially go some way to explaining the dynamics of what's going on. Why not?

- The video seems to just be TCP- and ICMP-pinging 8.8.8.8. Surely that address is sufficiently hammered that it probably implements fairly aggressive rate control algorithms...?

Re: Why I quit this battle

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Post by mbreese » Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 1:23 AM UTC

codr7 wrote: post #7

chris_wot wrote: post #3

Who is this Kevin from DSLReport?

Semi-famous camera guy, read a few of his camera reviews. He seems to know what he's talking about, but is also invested enough to become a potential sell out.

I thought it was about DSLReports and not DSLR cameras…

But the entire thread was hard to follow on that site. There wasn’t much context.