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Ask HN: Do you feel bad for having a good job?

#1
When I interact with people who have demanding jobs that give them little pay or respect, I feel bad because I'm younger than they are, but I make much more money doing much more comfortable work.

You might say I "deserve" my current place in life. Nothing has been handed to me, and I'm unusually smart and hard working. But I believe that I was born smart, and I've always had a compulsion to work hard.

I feel uncomfortable interacting with people of lower social classes. I don't care what they think about me. I just feel bad that they might lack respect or comfort in their work, or that their general life position may be unpleasant.

I give rather large tips, but it doesn't make me feel better. I usually tell myself that they probably greatly appreciate the jobs that they have and are using it as a stepping stone to achieve their dreams - that makes me feel better. I've also decided to stop avoiding discomfort/pain in my life, which makes me feel better.

Do you experience this? How do you deal with it?

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#3
I am not someone with a high-paying job, so I don't have a direct answer to your question, but I do want to give you a big hug for being such an empathetic human being.

Empathy and emotional intelligence are very important skills and you will probably benefit greatly from growing them into strengths. By developing these areas, you'll probably experience less guilt in general, but more importantly, you'll become a real gift to the world in ways you wouldn't have imagined. :)

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#4
It is so sad how inaccessible the better parts of the world are. I feel so sad that so few have access to anything genuine. The opportunities dwindle & I feel terrible for that- I want an electrified humanity, with vast potential everywhere. With few exceptions it feels like this world is falling so far away from empowered stances, and it's so sad, and so little of tech tries to rectify & enhance humanity's greater potential.

Reciprocally- and this isnt necessarily better- I look at how squandered this interesting field is. It's so fortunate & gifted a field, to have exposure to so much, to be so uniquely empowered & entrusted. Yet I see so much partial pursuit, so much partial interest, so much moderated enthusiasm. The really good people in this field have so little support, so few who can help them or who work at their level. I don't begrudge anyone their existence here but to see the tip of the spear, the vanguard of humanity so dulled & un-trying is sad. I see such limited futures everywhere, but to see such limited uniterested unengauged potential so close to a heart of power & potential is truly dismaying. Who if not the techies can inspire us, reawaken our potentail? I feel as uncomfortable with my professional class as I do with anyone else: they at least have potential. And yet that just makes me feel further apart from them than the every-person, who has such limited chances to find an enabling empowering path.

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#5
post #2

No need to feel sorry for them. Unless you have financial independence, you're in the same class as them.

This feels like lacking empathy. Many people are forced to work much longer hours. Some are working in dehumanizing conditions; worried that getting pregnant might lead to starvation or homelessness. Some do dangerous jobs for much less pay. I've never been shot at. I've never had to worry about being killed by an industrial machine. Some of my relatives have had to bribe people to cover up deaths.

I'm not sure what class really means here, but I'm happier where I am, and I try to help people out of their situation where possible.

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#7
I have an excellent job and have since I was a teenager.

I use my financial means to pretend to have a terrible job. I steal time from my employer to sneak off and play mechanic on my various mechanical toys. When I do a bad job, I hire a real mechanic to come behind me and fix my mistakes. Then I get a little better. I enjoy learning, and when I can, teaching.

But I take issue with one part of your post:

Don't assume the people you interact with are in a lower class. Some of the people you describe are happier than I ever could be, and lead richer lives too. I'd argue that all you have is freedom from financial stress and not much else. I'd put them in a higher class, from what I see here.

Maybe go learn what their secret is. I doubt they'd trade for yours.

$0.02.

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#8
With that thinking, there’s a lot to feel bad for. People with demanding jobs, people who are sick, people in countries with no freedom, people with death of loved ones, people who give life pursuing dreams and failed, lonely people, people with disabilities, people experiencing war / natural disasters / pollutions.

I think as human we should aim to contribute to betterment of the world. Empathy is good, but feeling bad for isn’t at grand scale. You can feel bad for your friend’s misfortune I suppose.

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#9
Everyone is your equal. Tip what you like but treat everyone with respect. Being English of an older generation I cannot ask for something without saying please and thank you. I find it appalling when people don't. Every person you deal with deserves your care and attention.

Quietly giving and working for good causes is important. Also, if you are not evading taxation, regard your taxes as a blessing on others too.

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#10
I feel very privileged and sometimes out of touch, but I don't think people outside of tech are in a "lower social class" than me. The difference between us isn't that great in the end, and there are _many_ people who earn less than me but lead richer lives. One great thing is that where I live, it's generally expected that a job will pay a living wage, and healthcare is free. People working in retail or food service are able to lead comfortable lives, take vacations, have job security, etc.

One way in which I feel out of touch is the ability to buy something on a whim. I want that new robot vacuum cleaner? I'll just get it. I want a pet stroller for my cats to travel with me? I'll order the best fricking pet stroller I can find. I have a number I try to stick to each month of a maximum spending amount, but in the end there's always the knowledge that I can probably just buy that thing I want sooner rather than later. I feel very lucky, but also a bit disconnected from the realities of budgeting.

Having said that, my cat has almost gone through her yearly pet insurance allowance, so I'm now meeting the reality of putting extra money aside for vet bills just in case her health continues to be unstable for the rest of the year. Luckily I have an emergency fund for several months of living expenses, but the vet costs here might burn through even that.

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