Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

#1

Post by ObsoleteArtist » Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 2:17 AM UTC

I am a visual artist and Dall-E 2 has made me realize that my skills will soon be almost worthless.

My role, if it continues to exist, will consist of prompting the software and selecting among its outputs. This is unsatisfying work that I cannot take pride in. My artistic skills, my craft, has been automated.

Quoting Wikipedia: On 19 November 2019, Go master Lee Sedol announced his retirement from professional play, stating that he could never be the top overall player of Go due to the increasing dominance of AI. Lee referred to them as being "an entity that cannot be defeated".

I am young enough to switch tracks and focus on a new creative field.

What creative skills will be safe from AI?

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

#2

Post by NaturalPhallacy » Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 2:21 AM UTC

I wouldn't say safe, but safEST is probably writing. Like creative writing where the narrative is something that spans hundreds or even thousands of pages with plot interactions that aren't directly apparent in the text itself.

At least until a true AI/HCI is created.

Most "AI" things are pretty superficial pattern recognition that are just better at unbiased processing of large "shallow" datasets.

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

#3

Post by AnimalMuppet » Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 3:05 AM UTC

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #2

I wouldn't say safe, but safEST is probably writing. Like creative writing where the narrative is something that spans hundreds or even thousands of pages with plot interactions that aren't directly apparent in the text itself. At least until a true AI/HCI is created. Most "AI" things are pretty superficial pattern recognition that are just better at unbiased processing of large "shallow" datasets.

Writing is certainly safe at the moment. GPT3 can "write", but it can't write. It doesn't actually understand anything, and therefore it can't write anything that means anything. All it can do is create an appearance of meaning. But the longer you read it, the more you recognize that you don't actually understand it. It literally cannot be understood, because there's no actual content to be understood. All there are is words, with connections between them that are more or less grammatical, and superficial threads that persist for a few paragraphs. It makes for very unsatisfying reading.

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

#4

Post by ctopher7 » Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 3:30 AM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #3

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #2

I wouldn't say safe, but safEST is probably writing. Like creative writing where the narrative is something that spans hundreds or even thousands of pages with plot interactions that aren't directly apparent in the text itself. At least until a true AI/HCI is created. Most "AI" things are pretty superficial pattern recognition that are just better at unbiased processing of large "shallow" datasets.

Writing is certainly safe at the moment. GPT3 can "write", but it can't write . It doesn't actually understand anything, and therefore it can't write anything that means anything. All it can do is create an appearance of meaning. But the longer you read it, the more you recognize that you don't actually understand it. It literally cannot be understood, because there's no actual content to be understood. All there are…

are you GPT3 ?

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

#5

Post by ensan » Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 3:34 AM UTC

I don’t believe something like Dall-E 2 would make a visual artist’s job worthless.

Some of the cherry-picked examples were impressive, but the others, not so much. The output lacks the deliberation & thought that an artist’s work would exhibit given the same prompt.

Not to mention that most of the results are not not completely cohesive (e.g. a rabbit missing an ear) so not sure about their usability.

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

#6

Post by banana_maker » Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 3:35 AM UTC

All of 'em. All of them will be safe. AI generated content is devoid of meaning and randomly generating some pictures isn't indicative of anything to me. Human works of creativity are so much more than randomly generating things from prompts - and don't forget you're not seeing ALL of the pics that have been generated, but some of them.

As people start to generate crap at tremendous volume with AI, more value and emphasis will be placed on creative works made by humans. I very well could be wrong, but either way it's not happening anytime soon.

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Games like go and chess are different, of course computers are better for calculating and optimizing moves and branching paths - no creativity is needed. This portion is completely irrelevant to the discussion of computers trying to generate art.

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

#7

Post by omegalulw » Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 3:43 AM UTC

banana_maker wrote: post #6

All of 'em. All of them will be safe. AI generated content is devoid of meaning and randomly generating some pictures isn't indicative of anything to me. Human works of creativity are so much more than randomly generating things from prompts - and don't forget you're not seeing ALL of the pics that have been generated, but some of them. As people start to generate crap at tremendous volume with AI, more value and emp…

This is short sided. AI is at the point An average dude who, say isn't good at drawing or painting can use AI that draws or paints for him. Sure a good chunk of the produced images/art will be garbage but good examples can always be cherry picked.

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

#8

Post by marc_io » Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 4:27 AM UTC

If you have any kind of interest in the psychology field, art therapy is a good candidate, as is based entirely on the value of the artistic output a human being can produce to help him/herself.

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

#9

Post by contingencies » Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 4:29 AM UTC

Any multidisciplinary / multi-domain design problem of sufficient complexity is not readily suited to automation.

If you want to stay on the visual creativity wicket, consider getting in to VR educational experiences (massive opportunity: far superior to traditional teaching methods in many cases) and computer games (huge money in the industry, if you can get it).

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

#10

Post by adg001 » Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 4:30 AM UTC

omegalulw wrote: post #7

banana_maker wrote: post #6

All of 'em. All of them will be safe. AI generated content is devoid of meaning and randomly generating some pictures isn't indicative of anything to me. Human works of creativity are so much more than randomly generating things from prompts - and don't forget you're not seeing ALL of the pics that have been generated, but some of them. As people start to generate crap at tremendous volume with AI, more value and emp…

This is short sided. AI is at the point An average dude who, say isn't good at drawing or painting can use AI that draws or paints for him. Sure a good chunk of the produced images/art will be garbage but good examples can always be cherry picked.

Quite the other way around, because the critical discourse of contemporary art gives way more emphasis on the conceptual framework of the work being done by artists, and less emphasis on the mastery of any medium of choice (i.e., you don't have to be skilled like Michelangelo to make art).