Greenwald: War Propaganda About Ukraine Becoming Militaristic Reckless

"Having the U.S. risk global nuclear annihilation over Ukraine is an indescribably insane view, as one realizes upon a few seconds of sober reflection."

No, it is not. Loosing Ukraine to Russia means imminent danger to whole Europe and from there U.S. This war is existential.

Letting Russia know that nuclear retaliation is very real possibility forces Russian establishment to reconsider current situation and options.

Putin may be (or maybe not) crazy, but the whole Russia is not and Russians understand real power very well.

I prefer not to die in nuclear Armageddon, but I do not want live in Europe constantly threatened and sliced or worse, concurred and destroyed by Putin.

Re: Greenwald: War Propaganda About Ukraine Becoming Militaristic Reckless

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Post by a0-prw » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 8:26 AM UTC

nojokes wrote: post #4

"Having the U.S. risk global nuclear annihilation over Ukraine is an indescribably insane view, as one realizes upon a few seconds of sober reflection." No, it is not. Loosing Ukraine to Russia means imminent danger to whole Europe and from there U.S. This war is existential. Letting Russia know that nuclear retaliation is very real possibility forces Russian establishment to reconsider current situation and options.…

Nonsense. The Soviet Union had Ukraine as a member state without Europe being "constantly sliced".

Ukraine is a vital interest to Russia. It is not to US or Europe.

Liberal ideologues in EU and US are bringing nuclear Armageddon closer with their dangerous insistence on ideological crusades instead of rational analysis of opposing states vital interests.

Re: Greenwald: War Propaganda About Ukraine Becoming Militaristic Reckless

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Post by nojokes » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 10:56 PM UTC

a0-prw wrote: post #5

nojokes wrote: post #4

"Having the U.S. risk global nuclear annihilation over Ukraine is an indescribably insane view, as one realizes upon a few seconds of sober reflection." No, it is not. Loosing Ukraine to Russia means imminent danger to whole Europe and from there U.S. This war is existential. Letting Russia know that nuclear retaliation is very real possibility forces Russian establishment to reconsider current situation and options.…

Nonsense. The Soviet Union had Ukraine as a member state without Europe being "constantly sliced". Ukraine is a vital interest to Russia. It is not to US or Europe. Liberal ideologues in EU and US are bringing nuclear Armageddon closer with their dangerous insistence on ideological crusades instead of rational analysis of opposing states vital interests.

Let me elaborate it to you - you need to update your calendar. It is not 1980 anymore, it is 2022 and Ukraine is independent country who is willing to join EU and NATO. This is their choice and nobody has any say in this.

And you are right. This is an ideological question. A principal question. This is why we are backing Ukraine against aggressor in this illegal war.

Re: Greenwald: War Propaganda About Ukraine Becoming Militaristic Reckless

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Post by a0-prw » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 3:14 PM UTC

nojokes wrote: post #6

a0-prw wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nonsense. The Soviet Union had Ukraine as a member state without Europe being "constantly sliced". Ukraine is a vital interest to Russia. It is not to US or Europe. Liberal ideologues in EU and US are bringing nuclear Armageddon closer with their dangerous insistence on ideological crusades instead of rational analysis of opposing states vital interests.

Let me elaborate it to you - you need to update your calendar. It is not 1980 anymore, it is 2022 and Ukraine is independent country who is willing to join EU and NATO. This is their choice and nobody has any say in this. And you are right. This is an ideological question. A principal question. This is why we are backing Ukraine against aggressor in this illegal war.

Nope. It is more like 1972 than 2022. It doesn't matter what Ukraine wants. It doesn't matter, in the same sense that it didn't matter what Iraq wanted in 2003, or Serbia in 1998. We need to wake up in the West. And Ukraine needs to stop thinking like a teenager who's listening to his dangerous friend's cheap advice (the US). They are nobody's good friend.