Telegram is anything but secure; even Facebook is safer, says Signal founder

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Post by shagunsodhani » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 10:06 PM UTC

Telegram is anything but secure; even Facebook is safer, says Signal founder
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Post by shagunsodhani » Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 10:09 PM UTC

Tweet thread from Signal's founder (that touches on some topics in the article) https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1474067549574688768

Re: Telegram is anything but secure; even Facebook is safer, says Signal founder

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Post by johnisgood » Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 12:24 AM UTC

Re: Telegram is anything but secure; even Facebook is safer, says Signal founder

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Post by johnisgood » Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 12:25 AM UTC

shagunsodhani wrote: post #2

Tweet thread from Signal's founder (that touches on some topics in the article) https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1474067549574688768

Of which there is a submission on HN. See my other comment. :)

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Post by hammyhavoc » Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 12:26 AM UTC

Give me Matrix protocol or death.

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Post by egberts1 » Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 12:33 AM UTC

hammyhavoc wrote: post #5

Give me Matrix protocol or death.

I have not yet begun to IM!

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 12:33 AM UTC

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Post by selfhoster11 » Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 12:59 AM UTC

Of course he'd say that, having have a great many questionable decisions around Signal. Honestly I'm inclined to treat this as FUD until the same points are raised by someone with a more impartial (or at the very least, fair) expertise.

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Post by DarylZero » Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 2:19 AM UTC

Signal is just as insecure because they can push any code they want to anyone they want to spy on.

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Post by johnisgood » Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 3:29 AM UTC

selfhoster11 wrote: post #8

Of course he'd say that, having have a great many questionable decisions around Signal. Honestly I'm inclined to treat this as FUD until the same points are raised by someone with a more impartial (or at the very least, fair) expertise.

I have many comments about Telegram and how not-so-secure it is. Again, it does not have E2EE on desktop.[1] This secret chat is only for 1 on 1 conversations (IIRC), and it is not the default. I cannot comment on their E2EE because they may have changed it by now.

Telegram is fancy, it is a great replacement for WhatsApp, but it cannot replace Element, Conversations/Gajim (XMPP), Briar, Ricochet, or Wire. Please avoid Telegram for actually "secure chats".

I recommend checking out https://secushare.org/comparison. I disagree with "Telegram can be among the least worse [for smartphones]" though. It is Briar. I have also used Briar on desktop, I wonder where that will go.

[1] https://tsf.telegram.org/manuals/e2ee-simple#2-why-are-there...