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What Every Government (Except One) Doesn't Get About Startups

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I havent gotten round to reading the book yet, but there is further evidence of this in the book "Startup Nation: The story of Israel's economic miracle" By Dan Senor.

He also did an introductory talk which was brilliant, on Fora.tv. I'll post the link here, but it may be affected by the new Pay Wall.

http://fora.tv/2009/11/03/Start-Up_Nation_The_Story_of_Israe...

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I havent gotten round to reading the book yet, but there is further evidence of this in the book "Startup Nation: The story of Israel's economic miracle" By Dan Senor. He also did an introductory talk which was brilliant, on Fora.tv. I'll post the link here, but it may be affected by the new Pay Wall. http://fora.tv/2009/11/03/Start-Up_Nation_The_Story_of_Israe...

Israel is a somewhat controversial example in economic terms. Some like to point to it and say "look what they made from nothing" but Israel has, over the years, been the beneficiary of significant economic (and military) aid from primarily the United States.

But more importantly (IMHO), Israel was the beneficiary of the largesse and support of a people decimated by the horrors of WW2.

It's fair to say that the US probably had a large cultural impact on the development of Israel, both for direct economic reasons but also that the US has a large Jewish population.

The lesson I personally take from the success of Israel is how important it is for a country to be bound together by a common set of ideals and purpose. Not that I'm arguing for any kind of cultural homogeny but if people in one country become sufficiently different it tends to drive that country apart. I think you see that in the US today as the red and blue state divide.

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I havent gotten round to reading the book yet, but there is further evidence of this in the book "Startup Nation: The story of Israel's economic miracle" By Dan Senor. He also did an introductory talk which was brilliant, on Fora.tv. I'll post the link here, but it may be affected by the new Pay Wall. http://fora.tv/2009/11/03/Start-Up_Nation_The_Story_of_Israe...

Israel is a somewhat controversial example in economic terms. Some like to point to it and say "look what they made from nothing" but Israel has, over the years, been the beneficiary of significant economic (and military) aid from primarily the United States. But more importantly (IMHO), Israel was the beneficiary of the largesse and support of a people decimated by the horrors of WW2. It's fair to say that the US pr…

Jews only make up 2% of the population in the United States. I would argue that US policy toward Israel is motivated more by Christian end-times theology of the religious right than by the Jews themselves.

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Israel is a somewhat controversial example in economic terms. Some like to point to it and say "look what they made from nothing" but Israel has, over the years, been the beneficiary of significant economic (and military) aid from primarily the United States. But more importantly (IMHO), Israel was the beneficiary of the largesse and support of a people decimated by the horrors of WW2. It's fair to say that the US pr…

Jews only make up 2% of the population in the United States. I would argue that US policy toward Israel is motivated more by Christian end-times theology of the religious right than by the Jews themselves.

I'm pretty sure that's looking through a modern lens at a much older situation. The religious right were not in power (or even really existent as a political force) through the entire history of Israel, and yet, Israel has always had US support.

I'll buy that the religious right consider Israel a useful political tool, and that it fits the worldview of the people the religious right are trying to herd (I'm pretty confident most of the people calling the shots in the religious right are not particularly religious; it's just useful to them). But, I can't buy a Tea Party conspiracy that goes back 60+ years.

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I havent gotten round to reading the book yet, but there is further evidence of this in the book "Startup Nation: The story of Israel's economic miracle" By Dan Senor. He also did an introductory talk which was brilliant, on Fora.tv. I'll post the link here, but it may be affected by the new Pay Wall. http://fora.tv/2009/11/03/Start-Up_Nation_The_Story_of_Israe...

Israel is a somewhat controversial example in economic terms. Some like to point to it and say "look what they made from nothing" but Israel has, over the years, been the beneficiary of significant economic (and military) aid from primarily the United States. But more importantly (IMHO), Israel was the beneficiary of the largesse and support of a people decimated by the horrors of WW2. It's fair to say that the US pr…

I'm afraid i'm not familiar enough with the politics and dynamics of the situation to be able to comment, but i hear what you are saying.

Like you, i think its more important to focus on being bound by a common set of ideals and purpose.

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Israel is a somewhat controversial example in economic terms. Some like to point to it and say "look what they made from nothing" but Israel has, over the years, been the beneficiary of significant economic (and military) aid from primarily the United States. But more importantly (IMHO), Israel was the beneficiary of the largesse and support of a people decimated by the horrors of WW2. It's fair to say that the US pr…

Jews only make up 2% of the population in the United States. I would argue that US policy toward Israel is motivated more by Christian end-times theology of the religious right than by the Jews themselves.

There is a book, The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy (by two political scientists), that argues the Jewish/Israeli lobby is one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, in the US.

From Amazon: "Mearsheimer and Walt, political scientists at the University of Chicago and Harvard, respectively, survey a wide coalition of pro-Israel groups and individuals, including American Jewish organizations and political donors, Christian fundamentalists, neo-con officials in the executive branch, media pundits who smear critics of Israel as anti-Semites and the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, which they characterize as having an almost unchallenged hold on Congress. This lobby, they contend, has pressured the U.S. government into Middle East policies that are strategically and morally unjustifiable: lavish financial subsidies for Israel despite its occupation of Palestinian territories; needless American confrontations with Israel's foes Syria and Iran; uncritical support of Israel's 2006 bombing of Lebanon, which violated the laws of war; and the Iraq war, which almost certainly would not have occurred had [the Israel lobby] been absent. The authors disavow conspiracy mongering, noting that the lobby's activities constitute legitimate, if misguided, interest-group politics, as American as apple pie. Considering the authors' academic credentials and the careful reasoning and meticulous documentation with which they support their claims, the book is bound to rekindle the controversy."

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I havent gotten round to reading the book yet, but there is further evidence of this in the book "Startup Nation: The story of Israel's economic miracle" By Dan Senor. He also did an introductory talk which was brilliant, on Fora.tv. I'll post the link here, but it may be affected by the new Pay Wall. http://fora.tv/2009/11/03/Start-Up_Nation_The_Story_of_Israe...

Israel is a somewhat controversial example in economic terms. Some like to point to it and say "look what they made from nothing" but Israel has, over the years, been the beneficiary of significant economic (and military) aid from primarily the United States. But more importantly (IMHO), Israel was the beneficiary of the largesse and support of a people decimated by the horrors of WW2. It's fair to say that the US pr…

I think the point is that lots of countries have received aid from other much richer countries. But only Israel has viewed this cash as national seed capital. Instead of any number of other possibilities, they directed a lot of it - along with their legislative priorities - in a direction that allows its citizens to respond the same way with their own lives, ambitions, and resources.

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I havent gotten round to reading the book yet, but there is further evidence of this in the book "Startup Nation: The story of Israel's economic miracle" By Dan Senor. He also did an introductory talk which was brilliant, on Fora.tv. I'll post the link here, but it may be affected by the new Pay Wall. http://fora.tv/2009/11/03/Start-Up_Nation_The_Story_of_Israe...

Israel is a somewhat controversial example in economic terms. Some like to point to it and say "look what they made from nothing" but Israel has, over the years, been the beneficiary of significant economic (and military) aid from primarily the United States. But more importantly (IMHO), Israel was the beneficiary of the largesse and support of a people decimated by the horrors of WW2. It's fair to say that the US pr…

It is true they haven't really started from nothing. But there's been lots of other groups of people who have tried to do this sort of thing with a lot of resources of their own and failed miserably, and even the US success wasn't really something created by government. It's still worth studying how they may have actually created this success... though I daresay the lessons are lessons that most modern government simply do not want to hear, and are almost incapable of conceptualizing... which also goes a long ways towards explaining why they haven't been successful.

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Jews only make up 2% of the population in the United States. I would argue that US policy toward Israel is motivated more by Christian end-times theology of the religious right than by the Jews themselves.

There is a book, The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy (by two political scientists), that argues the Jewish/Israeli lobby is one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, in the US. From Amazon: "Mearsheimer and Walt, political scientists at the University of Chicago and Harvard, respectively, survey a wide coalition of pro-Israel groups and individuals, including American Jewish organizations and political…

And why is it so "powerful"? Is it perhaps because lots of people think that Israel is right?

Being morally correct and helping people is a very strong American ideal - even when it's to the detriment of the country. And supporting Israel fits right in, even when it causes America trouble.

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