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Y Combinator Shattered My Robot Loving Dreams

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Re: Y Combinator Shattered My Robot Loving Dreams

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Perhaps all of us have our own idea of why, exactly, we found The Jetsons' Rosie useful and appealing. For myself, the appeal is removing the need for a human to do any sort of physical grunt work to perform a task.

With software, I still have to open a browser tab and punch in dates, times, and locations on a webpage. I still have to physically go to the grocery store [1] and redeem the coupons I've purchased.

How about software that takes my email exchange, extracts the agreed-upon travel dates, books the cheapest ticket, and automatically prints out my boarding pass? Ah, it was all software until the printer - robot.

Or something that mines the types of foods and groceries I like, orders them for me, and delivers them to my doorstep? As a grocery store manager, I might want a robot to pick the products off the shelf and transport them to the customer.

I can't Babelfish a conversation I'm trying to have with a friend. I want those translators that they have on Star Trek. Hardware. Hardware which runs software, sure, but how am I supposed to translate Chinese using Babelfish on my cell phone?

I still have to physically scrub and place the dishes from the kitchen sink into the dishwasher. Hell, I even have trouble getting them from my desk to the sink!

So I say let's have more robots! But not robots that substitute for human interaction, but robots that keep us from the monotony of everyday tasks.

[1] http://publicnoises.blogspot.com/2009/05/david-foster-wallac...

Re: Y Combinator Shattered My Robot Loving Dreams

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Where has this guy been for the past 20 years? I was child of the 80's, and a teen of the 90's. And it has been pretty clear to me for a long time that the concept of cyberspace and virtual reality would be the eventual endpoint of the computer revolution. Robots always were a 60's thing, even in the 80's.

Re: Y Combinator Shattered My Robot Loving Dreams

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Is there a sense in which software is what is holding back robots? We have all watched pretty cool robots in videos rolling around, walk on two legs, etc. What we need is awesome AI to put in the existing hardware. Any experts want to chime in?

I don't claim to be an expert, but from what I've seen there's a typically a huge gulf between the software and hardware.

Until recently, it's been difficult to put a lot of CPU on a mobile robot, so the software developer really has to be a programmer with an embedded systems mindset. For instance, the Arduino is a relatively recent phenomenon, and that's seriously under-powered if you're interested in high-level planning, or vision. But the GumStix or BeagleBoard look interesting, since there's a pretty accessible tool-chain available.

On the hobbyist front, most of the people setting out to build (for instance) humanoid robot kits have a lot of fun with getting the hardware together, but realize that dabbling in software really doesn't get you very far.

For the software-mindset hobbyists (like me), it's a lot more practical to do robot experiments virtually - since as soon as one gets out the soldering iron, the whole weekend disappears instantly.

"Hardware is tough", and (unlike software) iterating the design/plan is extremely time-consuming. OTOH, once a few decent platforms appear (in the $1000 ballpark), I guess software people will swarm in and push things into exponential mode, rather than what seems like linear mode right now.

Re: Y Combinator Shattered My Robot Loving Dreams

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In other words: software will replace robots when there's no need to have an actual robot, just software. Erm, yes. When your iPhone can assemble a car, do the dishes, or actually explore Mars, let me know.

Meanwhile my Roomba is doing a great job vacuuming my carpet every day while I'm at work.

Re: Y Combinator Shattered My Robot Loving Dreams

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Is there a sense in which software is what is holding back robots? We have all watched pretty cool robots in videos rolling around, walk on two legs, etc. What we need is awesome AI to put in the existing hardware. Any experts want to chime in?

I don't claim to be an expert, but from what I've seen there's a typically a huge gulf between the software and hardware. Until recently, it's been difficult to put a lot of CPU on a mobile robot, so the software developer really has to be a programmer with an embedded systems mindset. For instance, the Arduino is a relatively recent phenomenon, and that's seriously under-powered if you're interested in high-level pl…

I recently bought a TurtleBot (turtlebot.com), a ~$1,000 robot with a netbook, kinect, gyro, and roomba. The TurtleBot platform combined with the Robot Operating System (ros.org) - a popular, open-source robot framework - is an affordable way to test out and learn many cutting edge robotic algorithms like room mapping and navigation. It even supports telepresence.

I consider myself software oriented too, and recommend it to others who are looking at going beyond a basic microcontroller based robot, but without all the soldering.

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