China shows its true colours – and they're not pretty • Hacker News Board

It's another discussion on the HK election reforms, which probably would not have happened without all the media hysteria 2 years ago. We'll see, I predict people either wont vote or vote blank and the gov'll have to do a crazy dance to explain it - or people will vote and it'll be brushed away by the media.

The communists are ruthless when we complain, and we're brainwashed if we don't - there's no way we'd approach this as a complex multi factor and multi opinion problem.

Re: China shows its true colours – and they're not pretty

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Post by gentleman11 » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 6:22 AM UTC

xwolfi wrote: post #6

It's another discussion on the HK election reforms, which probably would not have happened without all the media hysteria 2 years ago. We'll see, I predict people either wont vote or vote blank and the gov'll have to do a crazy dance to explain it - or people will vote and it'll be brushed away by the media. The communists are ruthless when we complain, and we're brainwashed if we don't - there's no way we'd approach…

Calling them reforms is unfair. They removed free elections and replaced them with a “pick whoever you want as long as it’s one of these people we choose” system

Re: China shows its true colours – and they're not pretty

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Post by nyokodo » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 6:42 AM UTC

xwolfi wrote: post #6

It's another discussion on the HK election reforms, which probably would not have happened without all the media hysteria 2 years ago. We'll see, I predict people either wont vote or vote blank and the gov'll have to do a crazy dance to explain it - or people will vote and it'll be brushed away by the media. The communists are ruthless when we complain, and we're brainwashed if we don't - there's no way we'd approach…

> there's no way we'd approach this as a complex multi factor and multi opinion problem.

No country I’m aware of really nails free and fair elections. There’s always some kind of third party acting as gatekeeper that makes it difficult or impossible for absolutely any candidate to win who the electorate might want. But, countries fall on a spectrum of how well they approximate this ideal. It’s pretty clear that an electoral system like in HK where all the candidates are chosen by the one party allowed to rule is way to one extreme of the spectrum; the opposite side to free and fair! There’s no hand waving this away with calls for inappropriate nuance.

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Post by samuraifox1 » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 7:46 AM UTC

These UK news always portray Asian giants in bad news. I dont believe them blindly.

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Post by xwolfi » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 7:59 AM UTC

gentleman11 wrote: post #7

xwolfi wrote: post #6

It's another discussion on the HK election reforms, which probably would not have happened without all the media hysteria 2 years ago. We'll see, I predict people either wont vote or vote blank and the gov'll have to do a crazy dance to explain it - or people will vote and it'll be brushed away by the media. The communists are ruthless when we complain, and we're brainwashed if we don't - there's no way we'd approach…

Calling them reforms is unfair. They removed free elections and replaced them with a “pick whoever you want as long as it’s one of these people we choose” system

I agree to some extent (bit sad since I got the right to vote in HK just this year and bleh) but I cant argue against the principle they put forth on the face of it: yes only patriot should ever be elected, yes calling for foreign sanction was treason, and yes there are candidates who are not aligned even if the traditional pandem refused to show.

Im a lot more disappointed by the pandem whole fucktard strategy than I am by the predictable DAB sycophancy. Maybe always calling for disruption, insulting and blocking debate doesn't work and they could try something more subtle and more patient.

They were elected in big number since forever and I feel they shot themselves in the foot and it's hard to defend them even if the DAB is asinine. So I guess, blank.