Safari Ruined My Tuesday

Yikes, that's an awful bug. I make heavy use of pointer-events none. And I've _already_ had to have a special case for Safari, because it didn't seem to support setting `pointer-events: all` on SVG tspan elements. Now I have to double check to see if/what is broken in Safari 15 :(

Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

#5

Post by klodolph » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 3:01 AM UTC

> It's like living with IE6 again

There is a CSS bug.

CSS bugs are dirt common. It's a miracle that there are as few CSS bugs as there are. However, I remember IE6. IE6 was a total fucking mess. Everything was broken on IE6. It wasn't just a bug, it was a complete support nightmare.

I routinely encounter problems with CSS that reveal maddening differences between Chrome, Firefox, and Safari. That's just for desktop. But it's still way better than dealing with IE6.

Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

#6

Post by slivanes » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 3:04 AM UTC

I'm trying to figure out which browser is the biggest cancer for the WWW.

On the one hand, you have Safari whom has a parent company that isn't interested in making it have useful feature parity with the others because it'll then allow escape from their gravy train app store (fully working PWA's, non-compete with rendering engines in iOS). Their lack of keeping up is starting to look a bit like IE6 days.

And on the other, you have Chrome whom has a parent company that claims it wants to improve privacy (FLoC), but to me it is more of a "pulling the ladder up on everyone else" because they have so many other methods to track you (DNS, GA, Android, etc.) that limiting everyone would be disingenuous. Pushing AMP is another example of bullying behavior.

Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

#7

Post by chrismorgan » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 3:04 AM UTC

klodolph wrote: post #5

> It's like living with IE6 again There is a CSS bug. CSS bugs are dirt common. It's a miracle that there are as few CSS bugs as there are. However, I remember IE6. IE6 was a total fucking mess. Everything was broken on IE6. It wasn't just a bug, it was a complete support nightmare. I routinely encounter problems with CSS that reveal maddening differences between Chrome, Firefox, and Safari. That's just for desktop.…

Most CSS bugs just make things a bit uglier, rather than completely breaking your entire site.

Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

#8

Post by syspec » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 3:08 AM UTC

I encounter random CSS bugs all the time in Chrome, it's just trendy to say Safari is behind the times.

Google wants everything to be done in the browser, their browser, so they can track everything without cookies to sell ads

Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

#9

Post by reaperducer » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 3:18 AM UTC

chrismorgan wrote: post #7

klodolph wrote: post #5

> It's like living with IE6 again There is a CSS bug. CSS bugs are dirt common. It's a miracle that there are as few CSS bugs as there are. However, I remember IE6. IE6 was a total fucking mess. Everything was broken on IE6. It wasn't just a bug, it was a complete support nightmare. I routinely encounter problems with CSS that reveal maddening differences between Chrome, Firefox, and Safari. That's just for desktop.…

Most CSS bugs just make things a bit uglier, rather than completely breaking your entire site.

You might be surprised how often a CSS bug will break an entire site. I've seen it many times in my decades.

Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday

#10

Post by reaperducer » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 3:21 AM UTC

slivanes wrote: post #6

I'm trying to figure out which browser is the biggest cancer for the WWW. On the one hand, you have Safari whom has a parent company that isn't interested in making it have useful feature parity with the others because it'll then allow escape from their gravy train app store (fully working PWA's, non-compete with rendering engines in iOS). Their lack of keeping up is starting to look a bit like IE6 days. And on the o…

I think Safari, flaws and all, is pretty much the only browser that has any weight against Chrome.

Tell your manager that you want the web site to support Firefox or Brave or something else, and they'll tell you it's a waste of time.

Tell them that the web site won't work on their MacBook, and it's a four-alarm fire.

In a lot of ways, I wish Safari would deviate even more from Google's "standards" just so that maybe it would pull Big G back to the center some how.