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Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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I dunno anything about these particular organizations so can't judge who is right here but the fact any country government can declare anybody they don't like a terrorist or another kind of criminal and have them cancelled or hunted in the whole world has long baffled me.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?

Nuanced question with answers more appropriate to long form articles or books, but some reasons: deep cultural links on the left (Jewish Americans plus a history of socialism and kibbutz culture that captured the imagination of many boomers) and the right (religious Christians in particular), foreign policy geo political alignment during the cold War, deep economic ties "startup nation", personal ties for many Americans, the fact that many simply love the idea that there could be an ultra liberal "Berlin by the beach" in the heart of ultra conservative middle east.. the list goes on.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?

I think it is a fair question, but asking questions and hypothesizing reasons will get you labeled as antisemitic.

My guess is at some point Israel infiltrated high levels of government and got compromising information, and used that to continue to exert influence and control in American politics with access to confidential national security information and technology.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?

I think it is a fair question, but asking questions and hypothesizing reasons will get you labeled as antisemitic. My guess is at some point Israel infiltrated high levels of government and got compromising information, and used that to continue to exert influence and control in American politics with access to confidential national security information and technology.

I believe there was an explicit project by the Israeli government to do this called the Hasbara project. There is a wikipedia page about it which goes into some detail about the (successful) implementation in the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_diplomacy_of_Israel

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?

Historically, this hasn't always been the case, and the US were actively opposed to Israel's covert Nuclear program, for example, which was built with French support against the wishes of the US government at the time. The world has change significantly since then, including the French and American governments alignment of interests and weighing to pros and cons. I'm sure other people here can provide more nuance than I'm able to on the 'why', although there is a lot of emotional nonsense and baggage that comes with this particular topic, so you need to take it with a healthy dose of skepticism that there are NO blanket right and wrong people here and there is blood on everyone's hands.

Essentially, though, ignoring conspiracy theories and set in stone agendas, Israel simple represented a palatable partner in an incredibly complex, hostile part of the world and there is simple more in common between the two countries, despite their own at times competing interests. But US interests align far more with Israel, or politically moderate countries like Jordan than some others in the region.

I'm sure there is an element of playing to your electoral base TODAY, but honestly, I think it's just pragmatism at the end of the day in a region where the math can be brutal and bloody, and there are no easy choices of solutions, and real partnerships are fleeting in the region since the powerbrokers in one country or region today maybe be out of the picture tomorrow. Despite internal politics in Israel looking like a bloodsport from outside, they are at least a consistent voice in a highly turbulent region.

That's just my relatively uninformed, I'm sure biased opinion, but I don't have a fixed opinion on who the good and bad people here are, and thing there's a lot of blame in every direction, and no real will to change that on any side.

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