Debian's Which Hunt
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Debian's Which Hunt
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Re: Debian's Which Hunt
#2'command -v' is POSIX!! I have always avoided it in favor of which because its output doesn't feel machine friendly.
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#3Wow, talk about a tempest in a tea kettle.
Bikeshedding like this is why Linux will never achieve any significant market share for average consumers. (Because all that mental effort could have been spent on solving some real problem instead of philosophical conformity.)
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#4Wow, talk about a tempest in a tea kettle. Bikeshedding like this is why Linux will never achieve any significant market share for average consumers. (Because all that mental effort could have been spent on solving some real problem instead of philosophical conformity.)
As a counterpoint, users can get very wrapped up in changes, and it sounds like the Debian project had a mechanism for resolving the conflict that wasn’t “endless flamewar.”
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#5Wow, talk about a tempest in a tea kettle. Bikeshedding like this is why Linux will never achieve any significant market share for average consumers. (Because all that mental effort could have been spent on solving some real problem instead of philosophical conformity.)
Bikeshedding like this must constantly go on on large teams internally, especially with technical leads on what the scope and how their particular part of the system functions.
Since Debian does this all out in the open, we just get to watch how the sausage is made.
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#6Wow, talk about a tempest in a tea kettle. Bikeshedding like this is why Linux will never achieve any significant market share for average consumers. (Because all that mental effort could have been spent on solving some real problem instead of philosophical conformity.)
Big opaque corporations definitely never spend way too much time in meetings over pointless things.
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#7Seems like this is a case of Debian governance working as designed. I'm surprised that 'which' isn't POSIX though.
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#8Wow, talk about a tempest in a tea kettle. Bikeshedding like this is why Linux will never achieve any significant market share for average consumers. (Because all that mental effort could have been spent on solving some real problem instead of philosophical conformity.)
> Bikeshedding like this is why Linux will never achieve any significant market share for average consumers.
In my opinion, this is a good thing. Aiming for increasing "market share for average consumers" usually implies focusing on the standard baseline of functionality. There is nothing wrong with this, but this invariably cuts off tinkerers and enthusiasts who care about playing with SDRs and LIDARs and other fringe capabilities as much as (and usually more than) they care about the simplicity of the WiFi setup.
For simplest possible internet browsing there is ever-simpler Windows, with its design choices such as sharing of WiFi access and creeping ads. Just my 2c.
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#9Wow, talk about a tempest in a tea kettle. Bikeshedding like this is why Linux will never achieve any significant market share for average consumers. (Because all that mental effort could have been spent on solving some real problem instead of philosophical conformity.)
This is not bikeshedding, at least as I see it. Debian is used in millions of systems and many may rely on the exact output of 'which' command. Their job is to make these systems incredibly reliable, make improvements and make sure those improvements are rolled out as smoothly as possible. This is unsexy like plumbing and maintenance is unsexy, but still absolutely instrumental to society.
Linux overall has an amazing separation of concerns structure (inherited from the POSIX tradition). The user-facing details you might be worried about like the interface design etc. are all handled by separate teams that expect their base to be reliable and stable so they can make other changes.
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#10Wow, talk about a tempest in a tea kettle. Bikeshedding like this is why Linux will never achieve any significant market share for average consumers. (Because all that mental effort could have been spent on solving some real problem instead of philosophical conformity.)
It's ironic how a comment about 'bikeshedding' spawns five comments in the span of twenty minutes.