Dutch forensic lab says it has decoded Tesla's driving data
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Re: Dutch forensic lab says it has decoded Tesla's driving data
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#3Can someone provide some color on why a state actor would advertise such a feat? Now that this is public, I imagine Tesla can and likely will work to block access.
Re: Dutch forensic lab says it has decoded Tesla's driving data
#4Can someone provide some color on why a state actor would advertise such a feat? Now that this is public, I imagine Tesla can and likely will work to block access.
The access is already blocked, it says in the article that they had to decrypt the data in the data-storage system. It's not like Tesla can prevent a state actor from having access anyway, that's just a law away.
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#5Disclaimer: I work for a Tesla competitor.
To combat fundamental attribution error, whenever you read an article about Tesla, try replacing the word 'Tesla' with your least favorite car or consumer product company.
'Brand X' has a bunch of data about accidents, and they are motivated to not share all of it with authorities. When they do share data they are motivated to share the data that presents them in the best light. How would it feel if there was data about a crash you were involved in that you could not get access to?
Re: Dutch forensic lab says it has decoded Tesla's driving data
#6Can someone provide some color on why a state actor would advertise such a feat? Now that this is public, I imagine Tesla can and likely will work to block access.
They are using it in court cases, so it would not be a secret anyway.
The issue was that Tesla was only providing certain data that was being asked for.
You wouldn't know that it would be possible to ask for more information, unless you knew they were collecting it.
Now they know Tesla has this information they should be able to get it from them regardless if they have to decrypt it themselves or not.
(Unless Tesla decides to stop collecting data for some reason.)
Re: Dutch forensic lab says it has decoded Tesla's driving data
#7Can someone provide some color on why a state actor would advertise such a feat? Now that this is public, I imagine Tesla can and likely will work to block access.
They are using it in court cases, so it would not be a secret anyway. The issue was that Tesla was only providing certain data that was being asked for. You wouldn't know that it would be possible to ask for more information, unless you knew they were collecting it. Now they know Tesla has this information they should be able to get it from them regardless if they have to decrypt it themselves or not. (Unless Tesla d…
> You wouldn't know that it would be possible to ask for more information, unless you knew they were collecting it.
Only if Tesla purjured themselves during discovery. That's not the way court cases work. You can ask "Do you guys record the accelerometer data anywhere else but on the MCU?" and they have to answer truthfully.
What you write here mostly amounts to a conspiracy theory. You're taking the idea that Tesla is "hiding something nefarious" as a prior and then taking evidence that their storage was reverse engineered as evidence for that prior.
But that's not how engineering works either.
Re: Dutch forensic lab says it has decoded Tesla's driving data
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are using it in court cases, so it would not be a secret anyway. The issue was that Tesla was only providing certain data that was being asked for. You wouldn't know that it would be possible to ask for more information, unless you knew they were collecting it. Now they know Tesla has this information they should be able to get it from them regardless if they have to decrypt it themselves or not. (Unless Tesla d…
> You wouldn't know that it would be possible to ask for more information, unless you knew they were collecting it. Only if Tesla purjured themselves during discovery. That's not the way court cases work. You can ask "Do you guys record the accelerometer data anywhere else but on the MCU?" and they have to answer truthfully. What you write here mostly amounts to a conspiracy theory. You're taking the idea that Tesla…
We know for a fact Tesla is doing something nefarious, i.e. the self driving scam.
But I suppose Tesla isn't hiding anything nefarious. Most of their malfeasance is plain to see.
Re: Dutch forensic lab says it has decoded Tesla's driving data
#9Disclaimer: I work for a Tesla competitor. To combat fundamental attribution error, whenever you read an article about Tesla, try replacing the word 'Tesla' with your least favorite car or consumer product company. 'Brand X' has a bunch of data about accidents, and they are motivated to not share all of it with authorities. When they do share data they are motivated to share the data that presents them in the best li…
Ohhh, I think this can be a generalized life hack! Thanks!
First extension I see: do this with people :D
Re: Dutch forensic lab says it has decoded Tesla's driving data
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are using it in court cases, so it would not be a secret anyway. The issue was that Tesla was only providing certain data that was being asked for. You wouldn't know that it would be possible to ask for more information, unless you knew they were collecting it. Now they know Tesla has this information they should be able to get it from them regardless if they have to decrypt it themselves or not. (Unless Tesla d…
> You wouldn't know that it would be possible to ask for more information, unless you knew they were collecting it. Only if Tesla purjured themselves during discovery. That's not the way court cases work. You can ask "Do you guys record the accelerometer data anywhere else but on the MCU?" and they have to answer truthfully. What you write here mostly amounts to a conspiracy theory. You're taking the idea that Tesla…
The article states, “Netherlands Forensic Institute (NFI) said it had discovered far more data than investigators had previously been aware of.” The implication is that Tesla has not shared all of this information with investigators before.