The Hitchhiker's Guide to Kotlin
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The Hitchhiker's Guide to Kotlin
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#2Kotlin is a really nice language. I wish it was used more especially that now it isn't just limited to the Android and Java ecosystems.
Kotlin can now compile to native binaries : https://kotlinlang.org/docs/native-overview.html#sharing-cod...
Kotlin can now compile to Javascript : https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-overview.html Edit : You can even use React with Kotlin : https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-get-started.html
Kotlin can now be used for datascience as well (You can run kotlin code in a jupyter notebook) : https://kotlinlang.org/docs/data-science-overview.html#libra...
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to Kotlin
#3Has anybody switched to mixing in Kotlin code within an existing Java Android app? I'm not a huge fan of Java but I don't know whether it will be too jarring for maintenance tasks if I have both languages as code. There is a lot of XML floating around in my app (as most Android apps have) but switching between editing that and the Java is fine.
I'm keen on the idea that there would be less code and my app is getting a little creaky and could use a refresh, but does Kotlin make the boring stuff easier? Things like inflating classes from REST json calls, interacting with the SQLite database.
How does it do on the more "exciting" (ahem) parts of Android like Bluetooth? I lean heavily on RxAndroidBLE to cope with the rubbish bluetooth stack and I think the code around that could do with being simplified.
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to Kotlin
#4Kotlin is a really nice language. I wish it was used more especially that now it isn't just limited to the Android and Java ecosystems. Kotlin can now compile to native binaries : https://kotlinlang.org/docs/native-overview.html#sharing-cod... Kotlin can now compile to Javascript : https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-overview.html Edit : You can even use React with Kotlin : https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-get-started.html…
Kotlin/Native is hardly a stable target, given that they botched the implementation by going with an incompatible memory model as Java, and have spent the last year fixing it by rebooting it with a proper GC implementation.
Hardly any better than just using GraalVM or any other JVM AOT compiler, some of which go back to early 2000's even if only available in commercial JDKs.
The JavaScript compilation target still needs to do some catching up with TypeScript.
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to Kotlin
#5Kotlin is a really nice language. I wish it was used more especially that now it isn't just limited to the Android and Java ecosystems. Kotlin can now compile to native binaries : https://kotlinlang.org/docs/native-overview.html#sharing-cod... Kotlin can now compile to Javascript : https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-overview.html Edit : You can even use React with Kotlin : https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-get-started.html…
Kotlin/Native is hardly a stable target, given that they botched the implementation by going with an incompatible memory model as Java, and have spent the last year fixing it by rebooting it with a proper GC implementation. Hardly any better than just using GraalVM or any other JVM AOT compiler, some of which go back to early 2000's even if only available in commercial JDKs. The JavaScript compilation target still ne…
What catching up is required compared to TypeScript? Could you go in bit more details on that, I'm curious.
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to Kotlin
#6Has anybody switched to mixing in Kotlin code within an existing Java Android app? I'm not a huge fan of Java but I don't know whether it will be too jarring for maintenance tasks if I have both languages as code. There is a lot of XML floating around in my app (as most Android apps have) but switching between editing that and the Java is fine. I'm keen on the idea that there would be less code and my app is getting…
On Android, it is kind of clear, Google is doubling down on Kotlin and the team is hardly motivated to move Android Java into proper Java, so long term Kotlin seems to be the only path forward.
Still cherry picking features from Java 11 when Java 17 just got released, https://android-review.googlesource.com/q/project:platform%2...
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#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kotlin/Native is hardly a stable target, given that they botched the implementation by going with an incompatible memory model as Java, and have spent the last year fixing it by rebooting it with a proper GC implementation. Hardly any better than just using GraalVM or any other JVM AOT compiler, some of which go back to early 2000's even if only available in commercial JDKs. The JavaScript compilation target still ne…
What catching up is required compared to TypeScript? Could you go in bit more details on that, I'm curious.
Ecosystem, tooling, libraries.
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to Kotlin
#8Kotlin is a really nice language. I wish it was used more especially that now it isn't just limited to the Android and Java ecosystems. Kotlin can now compile to native binaries : https://kotlinlang.org/docs/native-overview.html#sharing-cod... Kotlin can now compile to Javascript : https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-overview.html Edit : You can even use React with Kotlin : https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-get-started.html…
Kotlin/Native is hardly a stable target, given that they botched the implementation by going with an incompatible memory model as Java, and have spent the last year fixing it by rebooting it with a proper GC implementation. Hardly any better than just using GraalVM or any other JVM AOT compiler, some of which go back to early 2000's even if only available in commercial JDKs. The JavaScript compilation target still ne…
I feel the non-JVM targets are a real distraction from what is a lovely language. I’d rather they focussed more on fixing the issues with kotlin in IntelliJ - you’d think controlling both the language and the IDE would result in a less buggy experience than the current situation.
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to Kotlin
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kotlin/Native is hardly a stable target, given that they botched the implementation by going with an incompatible memory model as Java, and have spent the last year fixing it by rebooting it with a proper GC implementation. Hardly any better than just using GraalVM or any other JVM AOT compiler, some of which go back to early 2000's even if only available in commercial JDKs. The JavaScript compilation target still ne…
I feel the non-JVM targets are a real distraction from what is a lovely language. I’d rather they focussed more on fixing the issues with kotlin in IntelliJ - you’d think controlling both the language and the IDE would result in a less buggy experience than the current situation.
I agree, to me it feels just like JetBrains turned Borland just before the Inprise Corporation makeover.
Re: The Hitchhiker's Guide to Kotlin
#10Has anybody switched to mixing in Kotlin code within an existing Java Android app? I'm not a huge fan of Java but I don't know whether it will be too jarring for maintenance tasks if I have both languages as code. There is a lot of XML floating around in my app (as most Android apps have) but switching between editing that and the Java is fine. I'm keen on the idea that there would be less code and my app is getting…
On Android, it is kind of clear, Google is doubling down on Kotlin and the team is hardly motivated to move Android Java into proper Java, so long term Kotlin seems to be the only path forward. Still cherry picking features from Java 11 when Java 17 just got released, https://android-review.googlesource.com/q/project:platform%2...
Oh really? Is this still a hangover from the Oracle lawsuit stuff?
I might give it a whirl and start replacing the easy stuff first. In my system the worst part is the Android app and anything that makes it easier to maintain in the long term is welcome.
edit: Not sure how I missed this announcement: https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-were-using-kotlin-progr...