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Re: CISA Zero Trust Maturity Model

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I perused the draft and was surprised by my jaded reaction: Great! More effort put into detailed cybersecurity strategies for the likes of OPM, T-Mobile, and Equifax to ignore.

We have thousands of pages of frameworks and NIST guides and the people in charge, especially in the private sector, are free to neglect or ignore them with impunity because apparently regulators don’t care and the market doesn’t care, so why should they?

It’s like we have these brilliant cryptographers working on technical advancements that I can barely grasp, and the people (management) in charge of putting their work to use can’t be bothered with basic patch management.

The whole landscape of practical cybersecurity feels very hopeless to me.

Re: CISA Zero Trust Maturity Model

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I perused the draft and was surprised by my jaded reaction: Great! More effort put into detailed cybersecurity strategies for the likes of OPM, T-Mobile, and Equifax to ignore. We have thousands of pages of frameworks and NIST guides and the people in charge, especially in the private sector, are free to neglect or ignore them with impunity because apparently regulators don’t care and the market doesn’t care, so why…

A lot of these frameworks are to convince bean counters that Their sysadmins are right.

“Why do you wanna make that change? It’s expensive!”

“Because it says so right here, sir”

That “official” guidance can go a long way.

Re: CISA Zero Trust Maturity Model

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I perused the draft and was surprised by my jaded reaction: Great! More effort put into detailed cybersecurity strategies for the likes of OPM, T-Mobile, and Equifax to ignore. We have thousands of pages of frameworks and NIST guides and the people in charge, especially in the private sector, are free to neglect or ignore them with impunity because apparently regulators don’t care and the market doesn’t care, so why…

And if you look, CISA is mostly for gov agencies and critical infra like oil pipelines.. They have a harder time ignoring stuff like this if they are obligated by law.

Re: CISA Zero Trust Maturity Model

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I perused the draft and was surprised by my jaded reaction: Great! More effort put into detailed cybersecurity strategies for the likes of OPM, T-Mobile, and Equifax to ignore. We have thousands of pages of frameworks and NIST guides and the people in charge, especially in the private sector, are free to neglect or ignore them with impunity because apparently regulators don’t care and the market doesn’t care, so why…

Come work in healthcare - if you are at one of the larger insurance orgs (UHG, Anthem, Humana) or hospital networks (HCA, Dignity, etc) you are locked into a world of this model making your life the most difficult imaginable. Need vendor support? Hope you like watching them work over webex as they wont have any access to any of your servers. Need a VPN to tunnel data across? Yeah good luck with that it'll take at least 6 months mostly for legal to approve. On top of rotating passwords on a yearly basis for service accounts , regular entitlement reviews, risk reviews, policy reviews, and rotating passwords for users every 90 days still along with multifactor authentication. I feel like I'm working at ft knox every day.

Re: CISA Zero Trust Maturity Model

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post #6

I perused the draft and was surprised by my jaded reaction: Great! More effort put into detailed cybersecurity strategies for the likes of OPM, T-Mobile, and Equifax to ignore. We have thousands of pages of frameworks and NIST guides and the people in charge, especially in the private sector, are free to neglect or ignore them with impunity because apparently regulators don’t care and the market doesn’t care, so why…

Come work in healthcare - if you are at one of the larger insurance orgs (UHG, Anthem, Humana) or hospital networks (HCA, Dignity, etc) you are locked into a world of this model making your life the most difficult imaginable. Need vendor support? Hope you like watching them work over webex as they wont have any access to any of your servers. Need a VPN to tunnel data across? Yeah good luck with that it'll take at lea…

Agreed, be careful what you wish for. When I was a consultant at Red Hat I worked with a lot of customers in this boat. We had to jump through absolutely absurd hoops that made a two day job take weeks.

I'm a security pro and I rejoice in secure systems, but swinging the pendulum to the other side is bad too.

Re: CISA Zero Trust Maturity Model

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I like seeing these guidelines but I definitely have been thinking about this essay from a couple months back which I think accurately calls the current situation untenable. These are all good advice, but even most government agencies have nowhere near the budget to fully implement them.

https://doublepulsar.com/the-hard-truth-about-ransomware-we-...

> The truth is, while governments are pushing frameworks such as Zero Trust, the amount of orgs who successfully implement these are… not many. Many companies can barely afford to patch SharePoint, let alone patch the the tens of thousands of application vulnerabilities shown in a vulnerability management program, and really struggle with accurate asset lists. … > My concern, for years, has been that ransomware gangs have not only closed the loop on monetization, they are also acquiring so much income they are becoming a bigger operational threat than some states. > > To give an example, one ransomware group receiving a $40m payment for attacking a cybersecurity insurance company gives the attackers more budget to launch cyberattack than most medium to large organizations have to defend against attacks in total. And that’s just one attack, from one group, that barely made the news radar of most people. > > The payment amounts are increasing, the frequency is increasing, the sophistication is increasing.

Re: CISA Zero Trust Maturity Model

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come work in healthcare - if you are at one of the larger insurance orgs (UHG, Anthem, Humana) or hospital networks (HCA, Dignity, etc) you are locked into a world of this model making your life the most difficult imaginable. Need vendor support? Hope you like watching them work over webex as they wont have any access to any of your servers. Need a VPN to tunnel data across? Yeah good luck with that it'll take at lea…

Agreed, be careful what you wish for. When I was a consultant at Red Hat I worked with a lot of customers in this boat. We had to jump through absolutely absurd hoops that made a two day job take weeks. I'm a security pro and I rejoice in secure systems, but swinging the pendulum to the other side is bad too.

there are ways to 1. be secure, 2. be productive.

I think that's the ultimate goal of "zero trust," but maybe I'm naive

Re: CISA Zero Trust Maturity Model

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I perused the draft and was surprised by my jaded reaction: Great! More effort put into detailed cybersecurity strategies for the likes of OPM, T-Mobile, and Equifax to ignore. We have thousands of pages of frameworks and NIST guides and the people in charge, especially in the private sector, are free to neglect or ignore them with impunity because apparently regulators don’t care and the market doesn’t care, so why…

If you want to work in the DoD supply chain after 2024 then you'll have to implement NIST 800-171 and some level of CMMC. Its no longer a self-attestation and requires a 3rd party audit and certification. Its not trivial.
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