FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine
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#2My biggest concern now is around seeing those who hedged their willingness to get the vaccine on its approval instead find a new reason not to get it.
So with that in mind, I'm much more keen on seeing how employers will decide on vaccination mandates now that at least one vaccine is fully approved. Any news yet on whether any more employers are likely implementing mandates (if they haven't already this morning) based on the news? Guessing a few probably had their policies and news pre-written in anticipation.
Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine
#3After CDC stops updating stats on deaths/hospitalizations from Covid19 among those fully vaccinated against Covid19.
As of August 9, net breakthrough deaths stood at 8/million and net breakthrough hospitalizations stood at 35/million, up 900% and 733%, respectively, since April 20.
Current numbers: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/bre...
Snapshots: https://archive.today/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/...
Putting my Bayesian hat on, a reasonable conclusion is that if the breakthrough hospitalization/death rates had improved, they would not be holding them back on the eve of the approval of the vaccine.
Also, interestingly, CDC stopped reporting breakthrough infection rates that do not result in hospitalization/death earlier.
The page says:
> Vaccine breakthrough cases are expected. COVID-19 vaccines are effective and are a critical tool to bring the pandemic under control. However, no vaccines are 100% effective at preventing illness in vaccinated people. There will be a small percentage of fully vaccinated people who still get sick, are hospitalized, or die from COVID-19.
First, I must applaud them for the reasonable argument there. Now do Covid19.
Second, it is not the absolute percentage that matters. It is the trend. Frankly, a vaccine where 1/100,000 who take it die of the disease it is supposed to protect against sounds a little far away from "vaccines are 95% effective".
Also, deaths lag.
Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine
#4So does this mean Moderna and J&J can’t be administered now since there is an approved vaccine?
Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine
#5My biggest concern now is around seeing those who hedged their willingness to get the vaccine on its approval instead find a new reason not to get it. So with that in mind, I'm much more keen on seeing how employers will decide on vaccination mandates now that at least one vaccine is fully approved. Any news yet on whether any more employers are likely implementing mandates (if they haven't already this morning) base…
I guess the US military can now mandate it as they've said they will. Time to see how many of the people posting on social media that they'd rather take a dishonorable discharge will follow through.
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#6I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”.
I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.
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#7So does this mean Moderna and J&J can’t be administered now since there is an approved vaccine?
They can continue to be administered under their EUA's; having Comirnaty receive full approval doesn't impact the other vaccines status.
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#8My biggest concern now is around seeing those who hedged their willingness to get the vaccine on its approval instead find a new reason not to get it. So with that in mind, I'm much more keen on seeing how employers will decide on vaccination mandates now that at least one vaccine is fully approved. Any news yet on whether any more employers are likely implementing mandates (if they haven't already this morning) base…
"...instead find a new reason not to get it."
Or continue an existing reason:
"Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes."
Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine
#9After CDC stops updating stats on deaths/hospitalizations from Covid19 among those fully vaccinated against Covid19. As of August 9, net breakthrough deaths stood at 8/million and net breakthrough hospitalizations stood at 35/million, up 900% and 733%, respectively, since April 20. Current numbers: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/bre... Snapshots: https://archive.today/https://www.cdc.gov/vac…
What if it you compare that to a mortality rate of 1.7%? All of a sudden .001 % death rate seems pretty good.
What do I know though — this isn’t my area.
Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine
#10I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.
It's also possible that its approval will result in more people getting the vaccine due to those people now having an out from their initial reaction that it was rushed (but still sticking to their convictions up to now in order to avoid embarrassment).