Jabs mostly fend off the Delta strain but breakthroughs are infectious
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Re: Jabs mostly fend off the Delta strain but breakthroughs are infectious
#2Re: Jabs mostly fend off the Delta strain but breakthroughs are infectious
#3I hate how every single article about covid leaves out a great many details. For example:
- Ok, so if you are vaccinated you can get infected. There's no word about the seriousness of the infection though.
- Hospital beds are filling up again. What's the mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the hospital?
etc.
Re: Jabs mostly fend off the Delta strain but breakthroughs are infectious
#4I hate how every single article about covid leaves out a great many details. For example: - Ok, so if you are vaccinated you can get infected. There's no word about the seriousness of the infection though. - Hospital beds are filling up again. What's the mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the hospital? etc.
> What's the mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the hospital?
Iceland is fairly transparent with those numbers, but the only easily-accessible metrics are in the Icelandic version of the news:
https://www-mbl-is.translate.goog/frettir/innlent/2021/08/22...
"17 patients are in the emergency department of the hospital and seven of them are unvaccinated. There are seven in intensive care and three are unvaccinated. Five are on a ventilator and two of them are unvaccinated."
Those numbers are typical of the daily news: most of the hospitalized are usually vaccinated. You're going to have all kinds of followup questions like which vaccine did they get, what percentage of the population got which vaccine versus got hospitalized, etc. I'm just sharing this so you can see how you can't possibly gather all of those details quickly, especially when the situation is in flux.
Plus, given that this is peak tourism season for Iceland and a lot of folks here are from out of the country right now, you'd probably want a breakdown of what percentage are foreigners versus residents, and that's not available as far as I'm aware.
Re: Jabs mostly fend off the Delta strain but breakthroughs are infectious
#5I hate how every single article about covid leaves out a great many details. For example: - Ok, so if you are vaccinated you can get infected. There's no word about the seriousness of the infection though. - Hospital beds are filling up again. What's the mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the hospital? etc.
CDC has this[0] which is fairly recent, and just as a layman it appears the vaccines are doing well against delta.
Re: Jabs mostly fend off the Delta strain but breakthroughs are infectious
#6I hate how every single article about covid leaves out a great many details. For example: - Ok, so if you are vaccinated you can get infected. There's no word about the seriousness of the infection though. - Hospital beds are filling up again. What's the mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the hospital? etc.
Plenty of things are left out, indeed. to add to the list of missing, important numbers:
> so if you are vaccinated you can get infected
Yes, you _can_, but at what rate compared to unvaccinated people? It's not the same, real-world data shows that.
> What's the mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the hospital
This number is meaningless without also knowing what percentage of the people are vaccinated. Compare:
"80% of the people in hospital have $foo, and 80% of the general population has $foo" - $foo has no bearing at all on hospitalisation.
"80% of the people in hospital have $spon, and 5% of the general population has $spon" - $spon is clearly linked to the majority of hospitalisations.
"45% of the people in hospital have $bar, and 5% of the general population has $bar" - $bar is linked to higher rates of hospitalisation, _despite_ not being the majority of hospitalisations.
Spoiler: for some age groups in the UK now, "being unvaccinated" is much like $bar.
Headlines about e.g. the Provincetown outbreak that say "most people hospitalised here are vaccinated" without further clarification, are somewhere from meaningless to misleading.
Re: Jabs mostly fend off the Delta strain but breakthroughs are infectious
#7I hate how every single article about covid leaves out a great many details. For example: - Ok, so if you are vaccinated you can get infected. There's no word about the seriousness of the infection though. - Hospital beds are filling up again. What's the mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the hospital? etc.
> What's the mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the hospital? Iceland is fairly transparent with those numbers, but the only easily-accessible metrics are in the Icelandic version of the news: https://www-mbl-is.translate.goog/frettir/innlent/2021/08/22... "17 patients are in the emergency department of the hospital and seven of them are unvaccinated. There are seven in intensive care and three are unvaccin…
>you'd probably want a breakdown of what percentage are foreigners versus residents, and that's not available as far as I'm aware.
That data is available here: https://www.covid.is/data
Data on vaccinations is here: https://www.covid.is/statistical-information-on-vaccination
Even though half of hospitalisations are vaccinated people, it is important to consider that we are now 71% vaccinated (84% for people over 12 years old). This means you have roughly a 1:25000 chance of ending up in hospital if your vaccinated, versus a 1:3000 chance if you're unvaccinated.
In terms of infections the present wave is far worse than earlier waves, but our hospitals are handling it, and as a result we haven't needed as strict lockdown measures. I imagine most other countries will take the same approach, and as a result COVID will become a part of human society as a season flu.
If you aren't willing to get vaccinated, I suggest you get COVID as soon as possible, as prognosis gets worse with age and COVID isn't going away. More so, as someone who has had both COVID and a vaccine, I strongly suggest just getting vaccinated. One day of feeling glum is far better than a multi-week flu and months of lingering effects (sensory, physical and mental).
Re: Jabs mostly fend off the Delta strain but breakthroughs are infectious
#8I hate how every single article about covid leaves out a great many details. For example: - Ok, so if you are vaccinated you can get infected. There's no word about the seriousness of the infection though. - Hospital beds are filling up again. What's the mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the hospital? etc.
I suspect that if those numbers were significant they would have found their way into the headline.
Re: Jabs mostly fend off the Delta strain but breakthroughs are infectious
#9I hate how every single article about covid leaves out a great many details. For example: - Ok, so if you are vaccinated you can get infected. There's no word about the seriousness of the infection though. - Hospital beds are filling up again. What's the mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the hospital? etc.
I suspect that if those numbers were significant they would have found their way into the headline.
> I suspect that if those numbers were significant they would have found their way into the headline.
That would mean admitting the anti-vaxxers were right after all. Unlikely to happen.
If it happens at all, the dial will be turned up slowly: only ever admit what cannot longer be denied plausibly.
Re: Jabs mostly fend off the Delta strain but breakthroughs are infectious
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What's the mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the hospital? Iceland is fairly transparent with those numbers, but the only easily-accessible metrics are in the Icelandic version of the news: https://www-mbl-is.translate.goog/frettir/innlent/2021/08/22... "17 patients are in the emergency department of the hospital and seven of them are unvaccinated. There are seven in intensive care and three are unvaccin…
>you'd probably want a breakdown of what percentage are foreigners versus residents, and that's not available as far as I'm aware. That data is available here: https://www.covid.is/data Data on vaccinations is here: https://www.covid.is/statistical-information-on-vaccination Even though half of hospitalisations are vaccinated people, it is important to consider that we are now 71% vaccinated (84% for people over 12 y…
Your probabilities are confounded by asymptomatic cases, in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations.
In regularly tested populations, the number of asymptomatic cases can be quite high (50%). Unless they are tested and identified they will never be counted.