Highly Vaccinated Israel Is Seeing a Dramatic Surge in New Covid Cases
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#2Is it possible The vaccine has the opposite effect on some people, rather than helping them to defend, it makes it easier for them to become infected?
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#3Is it possible The vaccine has the opposite effect on some people, rather than helping them to defend, it makes it easier for them to become infected?
What mechanism are you suggesting would be at fault for such an outcome?
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#4i'm amazed at the number of people still believing high vaccination rates will get us rid of the covid, despite all the evidences of the previous year pointing in the opposite directions (people getting infected multiple times in a short period, variants mutating the spike protein a lot, and more recently vaccinated people still proven to be both carrier and transmitter of the virus). The final nail in the coffin being country-sized experiments like israel, showing no sign of any kind of victory over the epidemic.
What surprise me most is the slow rate at which government adjust their strategy.. As an example, my country (france) still is deep in its "vaccine pass" controversial measure, splitting the country in half, and the government seems to show no sign of hesitation or even doubts whether it really is the best thing to do... They're running this strategy based on 6-months old assertions, and half the population doesn't seem to notice it.
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#5> The good news is that among Israel's serious infections on Thursday of this week, according to Health Ministry data, the rate of serious cases among unvaccinated people over age 60 (178.7 per 100,000) was nine times more than the rate among fully vaccinated people of the same age category, and the rate of serious cases among unvaccinated people in the under-60 crowd (3.2 per 100,000) was a little more than double the rate among vaccinated people in that age bracket.
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#6Is it possible The vaccine has the opposite effect on some people, rather than helping them to defend, it makes it easier for them to become infected?
What mechanism are you suggesting would be at fault for such an outcome?
From my own experience, I see that vaccinated people are less fearful of mixing with large groups of people. That's one way the vaccinated can be more easily infected.
It's not a physiological effect but I think it's probably the crux of the whole issue here.
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#7Is it possible The vaccine has the opposite effect on some people, rather than helping them to defend, it makes it easier for them to become infected?
What mechanism are you suggesting would be at fault for such an outcome?
A possible mechanism I have seen mentioned is Antibody Dependent Enhancement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement
I am not a biologist and have no opinion on the matter, I have just seen it mentioned online.
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#8Is it possible The vaccine has the opposite effect on some people, rather than helping them to defend, it makes it easier for them to become infected?
From a purely scientific point a view, there is no reason for the post above (from ajay-b) to be downvoted.
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#9i'm amazed at the number of people still believing high vaccination rates will get us rid of the covid, despite all the evidences of the previous year pointing in the opposite directions (people getting infected multiple times in a short period, variants mutating the spike protein a lot, and more recently vaccinated people still proven to be both carrier and transmitter of the virus). The final nail in the coffin bei…
> That means only 58% of Israel's total citizenry is fully vaccinated. Experts say that's not nearly high enough.
58% isn't that much higher than most other countries. France actually has a higher vaccination rate at 61%! So I'm not sure what you think the "country-sized experiment" is.
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#10i'm amazed at the number of people still believing high vaccination rates will get us rid of the covid, despite all the evidences of the previous year pointing in the opposite directions (people getting infected multiple times in a short period, variants mutating the spike protein a lot, and more recently vaccinated people still proven to be both carrier and transmitter of the virus). The final nail in the coffin bei…
Green pass in France is not a health measure but a politics one. They will stop it if they think thats going to prevent macron be re elected and keep it if it will help him be reelected.
There are not one valid health reason to let people not wear a mask if they are vaccinated (if you believe mask works as the governement thinks)