Not that this is an indivdual to individual interaction and no company is involved. The kid has to work atleast 20hours per week for 3 months, on the project.
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#3The critics claim unpaid internships benefit those who are richer (or those whose parents are more patient), but it’s not clear if banning unpaid internships will increase the total number of below-entry-level employment opportunities, as menial tasks do not generate enough revenue to justify paying a wage.
At 21 I’d guess the biggest priority is getting some kind of project on one’s resume.
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#4Who determines hours/project length?
Assuming this project may be considered a ‘work practicum’ potentially for academic credit—- and the kid is undertaking this work to gain hands-on experience, this a good and worthy cause.
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#5You've sort of set it up to sound unethical. If you framed it as collaboration on a not-for-profit project that sounds fine. But you're framing it as "making him work" and giving minimum hourly requirements. Why?
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#6> The kid has to work atleast 20hours per week for 3 months, on the project. Who determines hours/project length? Assuming this project may be considered a ‘work practicum’ potentially for academic credit—- and the kid is undertaking this work to gain hands-on experience, this a good and worthy cause.
As per academic credit, it is a great point. Thx
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#7I started with the industry as an unpaid intern, and few decades down the road appreciate the gamble someone has taken on me. The critics claim unpaid internships benefit those who are richer (or those whose parents are more patient), but it’s not clear if banning unpaid internships will increase the total number of below-entry-level employment opportunities, as menial tasks do not generate enough revenue to justify…
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#8The argument against unpaid internships is usually that it means only the upper classes get access to a jobs pipeline for the better jobs because very poor people can't afford to work for free.
But I've done freelance work at below minimum wage rates because I controlled my hours and was paid by the "piece," not by the hour, and that helped me develop skills and an income. I was homeless at the time and too sick to work a minimum wage job.
We let privileged people work for "nothing" in order to have a shot at something better. That's the typical deal for a lot of company founders.
Saying that non rich people aren't allowed to work for little or nothing in order to better themselves is a form of denying them rights and access to a better life. It helps keep them stuck in minimum wage jobs with no hope of a better future.
As long as this isn't some undue hardship, some bait and switch deal where he is enticed with promises you have no plans to fulfill and he actually gets value out of it, I see no problem with this.
Gambling on something better is a long human tradition. All people should be allowed to make that choice if they so desire.
They just shouldn't be conned into "gambling" on something with no real payoff for themselves like so many college students have done in recent years where they are saddled with student loans, the glut of degreed individuals means their degree isn't practically a guarantee of a good salary and the only people benefiting are the banks issuing the loans and raking in the interest.
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#10Nobody is forcing him to take the internship.