Neovim v0.5

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Post by todsacerdoti » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 4:10 PM UTC

Re: Neovim v0.5

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Post by kdheepak » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 4:15 PM UTC

I'm excited for this release! Built in nvim-lsp, treesitter support, better support for accessing vim internals from lua are all awesome additions. I've been using the nightly releases for a while and it has been great! I'm looking forward to seeing the larger community now have access to the stable release!

For people that are interested in knowing more, neovim is having a release stream on teej's twitch channel: twitch.tv/teej_dv.

Re: Neovim v0.5

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Post by asymmetric » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 5:27 PM UTC

Are there release notes somewhere?

Re: Neovim v0.5

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Post by rektide » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

kdheepak wrote: post #2

I'm excited for this release! Built in nvim-lsp, treesitter support, better support for accessing vim internals from lua are all awesome additions. I've been using the nightly releases for a while and it has been great! I'm looking forward to seeing the larger community now have access to the stable release! For people that are interested in knowing more, neovim is having a release stream on teej's twitch channel: tw…

I've seen a number of announcements but this is the first 'I'm excited!' post I've seen that includes any information about what is being added.

Strike that, not entirely true: there was one good post 37 days ago, "Neovim is overpowering", that I liked a lot[1].

[1] https://crispgm.com/page/neovim-is-overpowering.html https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27291302

Re: Neovim v0.5

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Post by thrwn_frthr_awy » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

asymmetric wrote: post #3

Are there release notes somewhere?

    Lua remote plugin host
    Lua user-config: init.lua
    Treesitter syntax engine
    LSP client for code navigation, refactoring
    Extended marks (text properties, decorations, virtual text)

From https://neovim.io/roadmap/

Re: Neovim v0.5

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Post by cturtle » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

asymmetric wrote: post #3

Are there release notes somewhere?

There is a draft on the GitHub wiki here: https://github.com/neovim/neovim/wiki/newsletter-%2311-:-the...

Re: Neovim v0.5

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Post by xwdv » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 5:38 PM UTC

The best developers and engineers I’ve known all used Neovim. Coincidence?

Re: Neovim v0.5

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Post by rektide » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

Bundling in a bunch of plugins[1] feels semi-cheating for shipping a new release, but I'm ok with it. I do get a bit of a monolithization vibe, and it kind of scares me to think that neovim might get stuck with some ever-ossifying codebases it shouldn't have pulled in, but overall I think the gains of building a more rich, integrated, baseline editing environment probably justifies the damage of consolidation/picking one.

Weird comparison to draw, but like systemd comes to mind. I love systemd so much. It's many different utilities all have a pretty consistent way to be operated & they're all optional & independent, so it's really more of a mono-repo. My warning hazards have never gone off on systemd: the init system is radically better, building a suite of tools using the same design system makes it so much of a joy; there's consistent powerful strategies I can deploy when working with any of the systemd monorepo daemons.

By compare neovim intuitively feels a little more integrative to me, more monolithic rather than being so strongly mono-repo'ish. Neovim scripts will emerge hooking into, extending, embracing these new integrated plugins, the community will continue to interweave themselves with these features. Trying to change things latter will be harder than it would be with systemd, there's more of a Big Ball Of Mud[2] fear here for me. My concern is probably about ~0.2 on the unit scale, and my ok'ness is probably ~0.6, some in between neutrality, so I'm not trying to say this is bad oh no. But I think there's some value to the comparison.

Anyhow. Language Server Protocol is the shit. It's the primary channel for how we turn text-editors into Integrated Development Environments. Taking nvmim-lsp & integrating it is a huge step for this project.

There's also some new hooks for Lua to work with, which promises ever better scripting: that seems like the one core enhancement to Neovim proper in 0.5.0.

[1] https://crispgm.com/page/neovim-is-overpowering.html https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27291302

[2] http://www.laputan.org/mud/

Re: Neovim v0.5

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Post by pythux » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 5:41 PM UTC

asymmetric wrote: post #3

Are there release notes somewhere?

I found this to be pretty comprehensive (not sure if this is the final release note, though): https://github.com/neovim/neovim/commit/a5ac2f45ff84a688a094...

Re: Neovim v0.5

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Post by _benj » Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 5:41 PM UTC

For those out there trying to "learn" vim, give neovim 0.5 a try!

I've been using neovim HEAD (0.5 pre-release) for a while and it has been awesome. It all started with this config [0] and from there and haven't tried (as before) to join a vim cult but instead to use it as a tool that works for me (i.e. use mouse scroll to browse around, use arrows on insert mode, and other vim sins)

Little by little I've been looking at how I could do something a little better and pretty much every time vim has an awesome way for me to do something! Yanked some text then deleted something but I want to paste the yanked text, not the deleted one? "0p is the answer. Need to replace all ___ but not modify the prefixed numbers? I can use visual regex to easily work that out! I'm doing something over and over? I can make that into a macro! There's a macro that I always use on certain file types? I can make an autocmd to load some string to some macro when I open certain file.

It'a awesome feeling that time I've actually learning about registers, macros, regex, windows, buffers, and everything else in a modern and snappy tool!

[0] https://github.com/mjlbach/defaults.nvim