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Stepping Back from Speaking

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Re: Stepping Back from Speaking

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I really like Clean Code and agreed with a lot of the points it makes. I would be lying if I said Bob Martin hasn't made me a better programmer. And I can can empathize with what he's saying about not liking public speaking anymore.

Despite this, part of me wonders if the reason to pick now as to time to stop doesn't have something to do with the criticism- valid or otherwise- he's now receiving. Some of his Clean Code videos have some pretty offensive stereotypes which have been pointed out. Some of his loud political views have been criticized. People are saying they won't share a stage with him.

People always have reasons to quit but the precise moment they choose to quit often tells the story of why they're really quitting.

Re: Stepping Back from Speaking

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post #2

I really like Clean Code and agreed with a lot of the points it makes. I would be lying if I said Bob Martin hasn't made me a better programmer. And I can can empathize with what he's saying about not liking public speaking anymore. Despite this, part of me wonders if the reason to pick now as to time to stop doesn't have something to do with the criticism- valid or otherwise- he's now receiving. Some of his Clean Co…

Isn't this referring to Fowler as opposed to Martin?

Re: Stepping Back from Speaking

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post #2

I really like Clean Code and agreed with a lot of the points it makes. I would be lying if I said Bob Martin hasn't made me a better programmer. And I can can empathize with what he's saying about not liking public speaking anymore. Despite this, part of me wonders if the reason to pick now as to time to stop doesn't have something to do with the criticism- valid or otherwise- he's now receiving. Some of his Clean Co…

This post is from Martin Fowler (author of Refactoring, Patterns of Enterprise Architecture and a fantastic blog) - who has a much better grasp of software development and who has had a far greater positive influence on our craft than Robert C. Martin could ever dream of.

Re: Stepping Back from Speaking

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I can relate to the anxiety before something like that which often then disappears when you start.

I feel similarly before technical interviews and it’s really unpleasant, the fear holds you back from doing things you’d otherwise want to do.

It’s hard to evaluate sometimes or be honest with yourself if you’re making a decision based on what you want or if it’s a rationalization to avoid the fear.

I often suspect a lot of the dismissals of technical interviews are more about rationalizing responses to the fear.

It makes me wonder though, does he dislike giving talks or is it mostly the anxiety that he dislikes? They’re hard to separate. I can understand giving up on one to avoid the other.

I think most people don’t face the anxiety directly, they tend to avoid the task and stay in their comfortable zone - I can definitely understand why. It’s cool he faced it for the amount of time he did.

Re: Stepping Back from Speaking

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post #2

I really like Clean Code and agreed with a lot of the points it makes. I would be lying if I said Bob Martin hasn't made me a better programmer. And I can can empathize with what he's saying about not liking public speaking anymore. Despite this, part of me wonders if the reason to pick now as to time to stop doesn't have something to do with the criticism- valid or otherwise- he's now receiving. Some of his Clean Co…

Isn't this referring to Fowler as opposed to Martin?

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Re: Stepping Back from Speaking

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Fair play to him for coming forward and good luck, I say.

I always assume that the people doing talks are eager to do so, or at the very least find the adrenaline etc of the "performance" worth it when compared to the nerves and work involved.

I wonder if there are a lot of people in the "don't want to do this but feel I have to" category.

(I have no interest in public speaking, and don't make any effort to be put in such a position)

Re: Stepping Back from Speaking

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Martin - if you're here, and would want to continue speaking were it not for the physical problems you face - perhaps you should give beta blockers a shot? Side effects are uncommon, risks are low, addictive potential is low, so doctors are generally willing to prescribe them if the patient requests it.

It sounds like you're just experiencing stage fright. Many professional performers get this way, and beta blockers have been shown to help reduce the physical symptoms of stage fright(tachycardia, sweating, etc): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6129674/

I had zero problem public speaking in school, or in casual public speaking (ie addressing participants in a sports league I help run), but I learned when I was 25 that I actually do have public speaking anxiety from a professional perspective. Perhaps it is because school/sports were low-stake activities in my mind, whereas I know that my professional performance is directly tied to my ability to support my family. So now I occasionally take a beta blocker before a big presentation, and they go as smoothly as my public speaking did back in college.

Re: Stepping Back from Speaking

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post #2

I really like Clean Code and agreed with a lot of the points it makes. I would be lying if I said Bob Martin hasn't made me a better programmer. And I can can empathize with what he's saying about not liking public speaking anymore. Despite this, part of me wonders if the reason to pick now as to time to stop doesn't have something to do with the criticism- valid or otherwise- he's now receiving. Some of his Clean Co…

Don't worry - this article isn't about Uncle Bob.
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