PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter
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#2Biiiiitttccoooonnneeecccttttt
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#3Doge to a dollar, then crash, then reset
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#4Sounds like Paypal got one of those secret government demands that we aren't allowed to talk about on pain of imprisonment.
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#5>This is the first time we have heard about financial persecution for defending internet freedom in the Tor community.
But they don't know that. Paypal refuses to give details. He describes a second recipent, the hosting company, and there could be more. Paypal's fraud and crime detection is pitiful*, and their silence can cover both incompetence and malice.
[*] https://slate.com/technology/2020/02/paypal-venmo-iran-syria...
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#6Whoever made this call must have been pretty inebriated. All of the bad actors here are willing to pay for their Tor nodes with crypto, which really only sabotages the legitimate users on the platform.
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#7I don't understand how it's legal for PayPal to hold his money for 180 days because they don't like the nature of his transactions. Kick him off their platform, sure...that's their prerogative. But why do they get to hold the money hostage?
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#8I don't understand how it's legal for PayPal to hold his money for 180 days because they don't like the nature of his transactions. Kick him off their platform, sure...that's their prerogative. But why do they get to hold the money hostage?
I believe that's in the ToS. At least in the US, they have a quite restrictive binding arbitration agreement.
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#9I don't understand how it's legal for PayPal to hold his money for 180 days because they don't like the nature of his transactions. Kick him off their platform, sure...that's their prerogative. But why do they get to hold the money hostage?
I believe that's in the ToS. At least in the US, they have a quite restrictive binding arbitration agreement.
Interesting. I wonder if a small claims court (assuming the balance wasn't too large) would help.
Edit: found the text in the TOS:
"Holds based on PayPal's risk decisions
We may place a hold on payments sent to your PayPal account if, in our sole discretion, we believe that there may be a high level of risk associated with you, your PayPal account, or your transactions or that placing such a hold is necessary to comply with state or federal regulatory requirements...
Risk-based holds generally remain in place for up to 21 days from the date the payment was received into your PayPal account. We may release the hold earlier under certain circumstances ..., but any earlier release is at our sole discretion. The hold may last longer than 21 days if the payment is challenged as a payment that should be invalidated and reversed based on a disputed transaction as discussed in the following paragraph below. In this case, we'll hold the payment in your PayPal account until the matter is resolved (but no longer than 180 days)."
Re: PayPal shuts down long-time Tor supporter
#10I don't understand how it's legal for PayPal to hold his money for 180 days because they don't like the nature of his transactions. Kick him off their platform, sure...that's their prerogative. But why do they get to hold the money hostage?
In general it might be there to ensure no fraud is happening - when my account was flagged for being under 18 (at the time), they held my money for the 180 days before letting me take it out. I imagine they do (or used to) experience fraud from people signing up for accounts using the identities of children.