China Railway Map (2021)
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China Railway Map (2021)
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#2~ similar: https://www.openrailwaymap.org/
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#3Before this thread goes off the rails with politics I'd like to say the Chinese high speed rail system is amazing to use and it's unreal how quick they built it.
I've been to the country a few times now and hated every second of air travel there, it's messy, people behave really badly regarding rules and pilots are always changing altitude/speed during (supposedly) level flight to the point that you feel like you are on a rollercoaster.
In comparison train travel is incredibly pleasant and efficient, albeit sometimes quite busy. I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion but many countries in the West should hire the Chinese to construct and build HSR in their countries with foreign labour under local direction. The benefits are huge for rail. Airports for short journeys just seem wasteful and incapable of dealing with climate change problems. Not to mention the stress of security hassles.
Here's the last 12 years of rail in China: https://image5.sixthtone.com/image/5/4/861.gif
In Australia we have been debating the high speed rail issue and doing feasibility studies for two decades now. The cost of AUD $100 billion was considered to not be worth it. Federal covid cash handouts to individuals in the last year alone topped $200 billion.
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#4The greatest obstacles to constructing high speed rails in Europe or the US is expropriating land, environment feasibility studies, somewhat convincing plans for sustainable financing through user payments or otherwise, and the fact that rails traverse several political units (whether borders between countries, states, regions or municipalities) that all have to cooperate.
Those are not necessarily issues in a one party, socialist system.
Why is Taiwan on the map of Chinese railroads? Can you actually buy a ticket to Taiwan's system at a Chinese station?
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#5Before this thread goes off the rails with politics I'd like to say the Chinese high speed rail system is amazing to use and it's unreal how quick they built it. I've been to the country a few times now and hated every second of air travel there, it's messy, people behave really badly regarding rules and pilots are always changing altitude/speed during (supposedly) level flight to the point that you feel like you are…
Yeah it's political and off-topic, but it's also something to see how their citizens are trained by CCP to blatantly include Taiwan for every map they make (the post link and the gif)
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#6Before this thread goes off the rails with politics I'd like to say the Chinese high speed rail system is amazing to use and it's unreal how quick they built it. I've been to the country a few times now and hated every second of air travel there, it's messy, people behave really badly regarding rules and pilots are always changing altitude/speed during (supposedly) level flight to the point that you feel like you are…
> it's messy, people behave really badly regarding rules
you didn't have the same problem when riding HSR trains? next time maybe just check how many are smoking on the platform.
another interesting experiment you can have is to visit both those old train stations and stations dedicated for HSR, you'd easily spot differences in terms of how people behave.
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#7The greatest obstacles to constructing high speed rails in Europe or the US is expropriating land, environment feasibility studies, somewhat convincing plans for sustainable financing through user payments or otherwise, and the fact that rails traverse several political units (whether borders between countries, states, regions or municipalities) that all have to cooperate. Those are not necessarily issues in a one pa…
And, critically, it was well known what the results would be when those policies were bought in. The West purposefully made a trade off to have a better environmental and social outcomes and worse economy.
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#8The greatest obstacles to constructing high speed rails in Europe or the US is expropriating land, environment feasibility studies, somewhat convincing plans for sustainable financing through user payments or otherwise, and the fact that rails traverse several political units (whether borders between countries, states, regions or municipalities) that all have to cooperate. Those are not necessarily issues in a one pa…
Pure politics. You can buy tickets for Taiwan's trains only in Taiwan, or online of course.
Plus, they missed to include Taiwan's high speed railway system. I am sure that was on purpose, too, since it was build before the Chinese one (2007).
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#9The greatest obstacles to constructing high speed rails in Europe or the US is expropriating land, environment feasibility studies, somewhat convincing plans for sustainable financing through user payments or otherwise, and the fact that rails traverse several political units (whether borders between countries, states, regions or municipalities) that all have to cooperate. Those are not necessarily issues in a one pa…
Pure politics. You can buy tickets for Taiwan's trains only in Taiwan, or online of course. Plus, they missed to include Taiwan's high speed railway system. I am sure that was on purpose, too, since it was build before the Chinese one (2007). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_High_Speed_Rail
They're also missing the Alishan Forest Railway.
also isn't the red line the Taiwanese HSR?
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#10The greatest obstacles to constructing high speed rails in Europe or the US is expropriating land, environment feasibility studies, somewhat convincing plans for sustainable financing through user payments or otherwise, and the fact that rails traverse several political units (whether borders between countries, states, regions or municipalities) that all have to cooperate. Those are not necessarily issues in a one pa…
> The greatest obstacles to constructing high speed rails in Europe or the US is expropriating land, environment feasibility studies, somewhat convincing plans for sustainable financing through user payments or otherwise, and the fact that rails traverse several political units (whether borders between countries, states, regions or municipalities) that all have to cooperate.
You cannot really put Europe and the US in the same bucket when it comes to HSR. France, Spain, Italy, Germany all have extensive HSR that connects major cities. We also have several projects to connect HSR across countries (other than Eurostar).
Cost per km in Germany and Spain was also lower than in China (mostly because in China they decided to use viaducts so that they had to buy less land, which goes against your claim they could just seize land).