The Open Source De-Googled Android Version

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Post by mcwalshq » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 4:16 PM UTC

The Open Source De-Googled Android Version
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Re: The Open Source De-Googled Android Version

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Post by _-david-_ » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 7:59 PM UTC

I have been interested in degoogled Android for a while. I am probably going to go with Graphene, but have been looking at alternatives that have better app compatibility.

How does /e/ compare with Calyx? Calyx seems to be more popular from what I can tell but I couldn't find a very comprehensive comparison between the two.

Re: The Open Source De-Googled Android Version

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Post by atat7024 » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 10:06 PM UTC

_-david-_ wrote: post #2

I have been interested in degoogled Android for a while. I am probably going to go with Graphene, but have been looking at alternatives that have better app compatibility. How does /e/ compare with Calyx? Calyx seems to be more popular from what I can tell but I couldn't find a very comprehensive comparison between the two.

What apps are you using that don't have PWA alternatives, out of curiosity?

Re: The Open Source De-Googled Android Version

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Post by atat7024 » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 10:07 PM UTC

_-david-_ wrote: post #2

I have been interested in degoogled Android for a while. I am probably going to go with Graphene, but have been looking at alternatives that have better app compatibility. How does /e/ compare with Calyx? Calyx seems to be more popular from what I can tell but I couldn't find a very comprehensive comparison between the two.

P.S. /e/ = LineageOS, which breaks Android's security model.

Graphene, then Calyx, is a great place to start.

Re: The Open Source De-Googled Android Version

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Post by atat7024 » Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 10:10 PM UTC

atat7024 wrote: post #3

_-david-_ wrote: post #2

I have been interested in degoogled Android for a while. I am probably going to go with Graphene, but have been looking at alternatives that have better app compatibility. How does /e/ compare with Calyx? Calyx seems to be more popular from what I can tell but I couldn't find a very comprehensive comparison between the two.

What apps are you using that don't have PWA alternatives, out of curiosity?

(Only if they require SafetyNet or whatever, otherwise, you can get them with Aurora store)

Re: The Open Source De-Googled Android Version

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Post by nousermane » Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 12:19 AM UTC

atat7024 wrote: post #4

_-david-_ wrote: post #2

I have been interested in degoogled Android for a while. I am probably going to go with Graphene, but have been looking at alternatives that have better app compatibility. How does /e/ compare with Calyx? Calyx seems to be more popular from what I can tell but I couldn't find a very comprehensive comparison between the two.

P.S. /e/ = LineageOS, which breaks Android's security model. Graphene, then Calyx, is a great place to start.

If Android's security model precludes owner from gaining root privileges (even over adb), then on my phone, I would prefer that model broken, thank you very much.

Re: The Open Source De-Googled Android Version

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Post by atat7024 » Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 3:15 AM UTC

nousermane wrote: post #6

atat7024 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

P.S. /e/ = LineageOS, which breaks Android's security model. Graphene, then Calyx, is a great place to start.

If Android's security model precludes owner from gaining root privileges (even over adb), then on my phone, I would prefer that model broken, thank you very much.

You'd rather have root in userspace than basic boot security?

Your threat model must be that of Swiss cheese from air.

Re: The Open Source De-Googled Android Version

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Post by nousermane » Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 3:16 PM UTC

atat7024 wrote: post #7

nousermane wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Android's security model precludes owner from gaining root privileges (even over adb), then on my phone, I would prefer that model broken, thank you very much.

You'd rather have root in userspace than basic boot security? Your threat model must be that of Swiss cheese from air.

There are already a handful of processes running as UID 0 on Android. How, exactly, enabling "adb root" changes "threat model" or whatever lofty concepts I am supposed to care about?

I mean - assuming a competent user who is not going to install a "flashlight app with root permissions", or copy-paste things they don't understand off of internet, and such.

Re: The Open Source De-Googled Android Version

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Post by _-david-_ » Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

atat7024 wrote: post #3

_-david-_ wrote: post #2

I have been interested in degoogled Android for a while. I am probably going to go with Graphene, but have been looking at alternatives that have better app compatibility. How does /e/ compare with Calyx? Calyx seems to be more popular from what I can tell but I couldn't find a very comprehensive comparison between the two.

What apps are you using that don't have PWA alternatives, out of curiosity?

I think navigation would be a problem with a PWA. I have only used the Google maps app so I am not really sure what other options are out there. Fdroid has OSM app that seems useable, but it wouldn't be a PWA.

I think bank apps would be a big thing as well. PWA do not allow you to takr pictures of checks.