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Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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> She also accused Apple of preventing Tile from using the technology behind Apple's Find My function, giving AirTags an unfair advantage.

> Apple said the product was different. "We didn't copy Tile's product... It's extremely different to anything else on the market," said Apple's Chief Compliance Officer, Kyle Andeer.

lol! yeah right, Kyle.

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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i think it's not productive to call it a literal/actual/effective monopoly, since it's designed to be monopoly. The problem is not so much that it's a monopoly but that it advertises itself to developers and to users as being an open more or less market, which it isn't since it's by design rigged and censored. There's a legal gap here probably because such situations are unprecedented (where a company builds a market completely controlled by itself). Do sellers and buyers have fundamental rights in a free market economy?

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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post #2

> She also accused Apple of preventing Tile from using the technology behind Apple's Find My function, giving AirTags an unfair advantage. > Apple said the product was different. "We didn't copy Tile's product... It's extremely different to anything else on the market," said Apple's Chief Compliance Officer, Kyle Andeer. lol! yeah right, Kyle.

Tile plays a sound to be found. AirTag are triangulated by the Find My app.

Also, third parties are already signed up for the new third party integrations to Find My.

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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i think it's not productive to call it a literal/actual/effective monopoly, since it's designed to be monopoly. The problem is not so much that it's a monopoly but that it advertises itself to developers and to users as being an open more or less market, which it isn't since it's by design rigged and censored. There's a legal gap here probably because such situations are unprecedented (where a company builds a market…

> situations are unprecedented (where a company builds a market completely controlled by itself)

not really. Malls are in a similar situation. If you own the mall, you get to dictate whether the tenants are allowed or not. They pay rent to remain in the mall, and there's some rules they must follow or they get kicked out (rules which are made clear upfront).

The difference between a mall and the app store is that there can be competing malls (say, right next door!), but currently, apple has made it impossible to create competing app stores. But malls themselves have a natural monopoly, because of pysics - pauli's exclusion principle - you cannot occupy the same space as another mall.

So the law should account for this, and make sure that the app store is just as fair as a mall is today.

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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> She also accused Apple of preventing Tile from using the technology behind Apple's Find My function, giving AirTags an unfair advantage.

I am not a person who uses Apple products so someone please clarify for me. Does Apple grant access to this to other people? Can I create a GPS-enabled product and use Apple's SDK to implement "Find My...?"

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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post #2

> She also accused Apple of preventing Tile from using the technology behind Apple's Find My function, giving AirTags an unfair advantage. > Apple said the product was different. "We didn't copy Tile's product... It's extremely different to anything else on the market," said Apple's Chief Compliance Officer, Kyle Andeer. lol! yeah right, Kyle.

The irony of Tile's demand was that by Apple opening up Find My to third parties Tile's network effect moat just became irrelevant.

Instead of having one serious competitor with a network (Apple) that's only iOS they're now a strict commodity and the "Tile Network" isn't a differentiated advantage.

Be careful what you wish for.

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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Yes, it is a monopoly. You can see the effects in software that doesn't even run on Apple devices. The most recent example is Discord being forced to change their entire platform and software on non-apple OSes just to be allowed to have their software run on Apple's monopoly walled garden.

Re: Google and Apple attacked on app store 'monopoly'

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> She also accused Apple of preventing Tile from using the technology behind Apple's Find My function, giving AirTags an unfair advantage. I am not a person who uses Apple products so someone please clarify for me. Does Apple grant access to this to other people? Can I create a GPS-enabled product and use Apple's SDK to implement "Find My...?"

You can.
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