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Nil-by-mouth foodie: A chef who will never eat again

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Re: Nil-by-mouth foodie: A chef who will never eat again

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As a former/retired chef, who mainly got into food for the sheer glutinous delight that only slightly justifies enduring the backbreaking Industry, this is truly a cruel fate but may have been for the best if she had to deal with eating disorders and mental health issues.

Untreated mental illness is the norm in that Industry, as is substance abuse and suicide.

So given the abuse (physical and mental) in addition to her eating disorder and mental health problems chances are she probably wouldn't have made her first year working line without severe consequences. Culinary school often depicts a false-reality of the Industry, and rarely do most of its graduates fare better than a seasoned cook who made his way up from the dish pit/prep cook in my experience, because doing that at least vets people who actually can still show up after what is a romanticized view of an abusive, low paying, high stress work environment.

I'm glad she was able to identify her illness and despite this affliction she was able to persevere and live her Life as best she can but their are likely no words to adequately describe the ordeal this would do to a cook despite this journalist's best attempts.

I normally dismiss Social Media as a viable means for non-vanity based, shallow, vapid forms of communication and will often refer to it as the cesspool that it is, but I'm glad this was there to help her recover. Especially since COVID killed most people's social life.

Re: Nil-by-mouth foodie: A chef who will never eat again

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As a former/retired chef, who mainly got into food for the sheer glutinous delight that only slightly justifies enduring the backbreaking Industry, this is truly a cruel fate but may have been for the best if she had to deal with eating disorders and mental health issues. Untreated mental illness is the norm in that Industry, as is substance abuse and suicide. So given the abuse (physical and mental) in addition to h…

Have you heard of / do you have any opinions on Unichef (UK)? ( https://www.thenationalchefsunion.co.uk/about-unichef/ )

(I'm a software developer curious about food technology, and interested in the industry, problems, and potential improvements)

Re: Nil-by-mouth foodie: A chef who will never eat again

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post #4

As a former/retired chef, who mainly got into food for the sheer glutinous delight that only slightly justifies enduring the backbreaking Industry, this is truly a cruel fate but may have been for the best if she had to deal with eating disorders and mental health issues. Untreated mental illness is the norm in that Industry, as is substance abuse and suicide. So given the abuse (physical and mental) in addition to h…

Have you heard of / do you have any opinions on Unichef (UK)? ( https://www.thenationalchefsunion.co.uk/about-unichef/ ) (I'm a software developer curious about food technology, and interested in the industry, problems, and potential improvements)

> Have you heard of...

Vaguely from this [0], and I find rather it painfully ironic that one of the supporters (Bourdain) of that book died from suicide in what was likely ongoing depression and unresolved mental health isses that led to former bouts with substance abuse in addition to a horrible catastrophic relationship spat occurring in public.

Personally speaking when I first read Kitchen Confidential when I was a prep cook in catering during university I knew he was very likely going to take his life.

As a former developer myself, smart contract/blockchain stuff, with an emphasis in Supply Chain with several years in the Auto Industry, my opinion their is really not much that can be solved with software alone before the underlying machinations and culture of the Culinary Industry itself is resolved. COVID was a real wake up call, but not much has changed from what my former colleagues tell me, other than a slight pay raise ($1-2) for tenured and seasoned cooks. That was hard to justify from management during 50% capacity most of the country is still dealing with.

We had touch-screens to manage our individual orders/tickets on our station to help expo streamline things, and while that was interesting (my station's screen had a tendency to disconnect in the middle of service when things got super heated or wet from a persistent leak) and gave us a little autonomy to coordinate with the other stations it could and often created more problems than solved if the expo was mediocre which is why they got rid of them.

Maybe if you focus on tax or payroll related stuff for accounting, especially with how to deal with PPP? Also if you can find a way to lower food losses/costs that could be incredibly useful? But all of this could and should be done with creative menu offerings that utilize the 'scrap' and upsale the protein in another dish.

0: https://www.instyle.com/news/40-chefs-share-their-favorite-c...

Re: Nil-by-mouth foodie: A chef who will never eat again

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On top of the tragic circumstances outside of anyone's control, it's mind-boggling how much unnecessary pain and suffering was caused by the medical system.

Given that the UK is one of the better countries in medical care quality, why are things still so bad? I understand the disease is rare, but even if it's not diagnosed, surely there's a way to realize that they are just torturing the patient?

Also:

> On average it takes 10 to 14 years for people to be diagnosed

Why so long? The global databases of medical information should contain the relevant symptoms, right?

Re: Nil-by-mouth foodie: A chef who will never eat again

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As a former/retired chef, who mainly got into food for the sheer glutinous delight that only slightly justifies enduring the backbreaking Industry, this is truly a cruel fate but may have been for the best if she had to deal with eating disorders and mental health issues. Untreated mental illness is the norm in that Industry, as is substance abuse and suicide. So given the abuse (physical and mental) in addition to h…

I've worked in the hospitality trade for about a decade before i got in IT.

The hospitality industry is a shadowy, drug and crime filled industry. Its truly disturbing know what shit goes on in our food production area's.

Re: Nil-by-mouth foodie: A chef who will never eat again

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post #6

On top of the tragic circumstances outside of anyone's control, it's mind-boggling how much unnecessary pain and suffering was caused by the medical system. Given that the UK is one of the better countries in medical care quality, why are things still so bad? I understand the disease is rare, but even if it's not diagnosed, surely there's a way to realize that they are just torturing the patient? Also: > On average i…

Read the next part of that statement in the article...

On average it takes 10 to 14 years for people to be diagnosed, says Dr Alan Hakim of the Ehlers-Danlos Society, because the symptoms of hEDS are so varied and may not appear to be linked

Imagine you’re a doctor and a young woman comes in cause they aren’t eating. What’s at the top of your differential?

Anorexia, certainly Cancer, potentially Diabetes leading to gastroparesis? Unlikely, but let’s keep it on

Ok so you try and treat anorexia, and it didn’t work (except, it did? The article wasn’t clear). Was it terrible that nobody took her at her word and worked this up? Absolutely. What else do you work up? You do a colonoscopy or upper endoscopy, you take samples of your intestine (which looked fine under the microscope most likely), you do some ct scans, and you do a gastric emptying study to make sure food is moving through intestines appropriately.

I don’t really know where I’m going with this, other than to say you’re right that we should be better, and not cause suffering. But hindsight is 20/20

Re: Nil-by-mouth foodie: A chef who will never eat again

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Oh, good lord, they tortured her and assumed she was just stubbornly "behaving badly" because "crazy."

I'm appalled but a lot of the elements of her story are all too familiar. "You are just crazy" is a common accusation for anyone doctors can't readily diagnose and it's a horrible, horrible experience.

Re: Nil-by-mouth foodie: A chef who will never eat again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you heard of / do you have any opinions on Unichef (UK)? ( https://www.thenationalchefsunion.co.uk/about-unichef/ ) (I'm a software developer curious about food technology, and interested in the industry, problems, and potential improvements)

> Have you heard of... Vaguely from this [0], and I find rather it painfully ironic that one of the supporters (Bourdain) of that book died from suicide in what was likely ongoing depression and unresolved mental health isses that led to former bouts with substance abuse in addition to a horrible catastrophic relationship spat occurring in public. Personally speaking when I first read Kitchen Confidential when I was…

Thanks! My view has been fairly limited, from (rarely) cooking at home, and where 'locally sourced' tends to mean 'walking to the shops' instead of any kind of vendor relationships.

What's the PPP challenge you mentioned, and (at the risk of sounding like I'm stealing your ideas; not my intent, I'd prefer to read and reflect them out here) what would you change about the industry culture if you could?

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