Bruce Perens: On Non-Judicical Punishment of Individuals
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#2> Mr. Stallman is personally known to me. I could testify that he is extremely obnoxious. Due to his handicap, he has little perception of what the feelings and reactions of others might be to his thoughts and actions...
I was sat 1 meter away from Bruce at a convention when Stallman had stood up to interrupt the presentation from some marketing woman from google on a point of principle regarding an error she made in speech about the BSD license). He then turned his ire on Perens and publicly admonished him for his more pragmatic views on something related that I have now sadly forgotten.
I mention only to say i know the kind of treatment Bruce got from Richard as I was in the sightline of the pointing and the high pitched unmistakable loud voice calling him out in a room of hundreds of people.
He just laughed it off with a gesture. He seemed very affable and polite in our brief conversation.
edit a google has turned up someone who took notes including some of the detail i gave above
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#4Richard Stallman will be punished until the day he dies. And then they will vandalize his grave.
All I can do is to try not to commit crimes [1] myself, lest I be similarly removed from employment, stripped of accolade, and banished forever.
[1] I'm LGBT and very open and inclusive with everyone (including democrats and republicans), but I seriously worry that eating meat might one day be frowned upon and punished.
edit: the idea that maybe we should give him a chance is persecuted, too. Nevermind that our entire careers are built on his shoulders and that no US court has found him guilty of a crime -- off with his head!
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#5It seems a copout to blame his behaviour on his Autism. Plenty of people on the spectrum go about daily life without making grandiose public statements about pedophiles or eating toe jam in public - even for an Autistic person it's obvious that this will cause a negative reaction.
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#6Bruce Perens maintains that Stallmen is employed by the FSF. According to all their tax filings, he has not ever drawn a salary. Perhaps those with stronger legal education than mine can answer: how does the ADA apply to boards?
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#7I'm no fan of Stallman, but I do find it worrying that some companies can unilaterally decide to sink the FSF if they don't like what it's doing. Of course, any foundation with companies on its board is at risk for that, but the fact that people who support Free Software, who ideally should shun corporate control of software, are cheering it on is disappointing, and is directly due to the kind of easy judgement people are rendering upon each other.
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#8How is a "You can't lead an organisation and be a role model if your views hurt a significant amount of people in the organisation" a non-judicial punishment? If you can't read or write you would also probably not lead a large organization, and it's not punishment. Can you rejoin if you have learned reading and writing? Yes.
Stallman is not a janitor but in top management (I have the highest respect for janitors but they are not required to be a role model of the organization).
"Thus, they are bound by the Americans with Disability Act and other applicable law to make accommodations for a handicapped employee."
Totally agree, but I won't make a blind person the watchout guy on a ship. There are limits to inclusion.
[Edit] HN you made me giggle this morning. This gets quite some downvotes and for a short time was Karma negative - so people try to cancel me with downvotes for my opinion because they think RMS is cancelled for his opinion. Believing two different things at the same time - or believing one thing by doing the opposite is the real turing test. Nice insight, thanks.
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#9It seems a copout to blame his behaviour on his Autism. Plenty of people on the spectrum go about daily life without making grandiose public statements about pedophiles or eating toe jam in public - even for an Autistic person it's obvious that this will cause a negative reaction.
It’s called Autism Spectrum Disorder for a reason. There are many different ways an individual’s personality can be impacted by it.
Re: Bruce Perens: On Non-Judicical Punishment of Individuals
#10It seems a copout to blame his behaviour on his Autism. Plenty of people on the spectrum go about daily life without making grandiose public statements about pedophiles or eating toe jam in public - even for an Autistic person it's obvious that this will cause a negative reaction.
For people who says they are all for inclusion and equality, they seem to be quite selective in the type of personalities that they allowed to be in their group.