Tesla’s CV Approach to Autonomous Driving Built an Unassailable Lead in FSD
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Tesla’s CV Approach to Autonomous Driving Built an Unassailable Lead in FSD
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Re: Tesla’s CV Approach to Autonomous Driving Built an Unassailable Lead in FSD
#2hmm, I think the author missed that Waymo drove in snow 3 years ago [0], obviously outside of Pheonix. They also don't seem to understand it's CV + Lidar, not versus... I'd be surprised at a CV only system that can handle snow like seen in the Waymo example.
The rest of the article does not hold up once you realize the author is in an either-or mindset and thinks Waymo is not using CV, which they are, and has vertical vision stack, with arguably better experience at scaling ML
If you want to see actual FSD (without a human in the driver seat), this Waymo beta user has been video documenting on a regular basis: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-13jt3ZPb7X6qJTo_MEn...
Having seen the "self-driving" displays from both, Waymo's shows Waymo information, which gives me greater trust in the system. By contrast, there are Tesla videos with some scary moments.
[0] https://www.engadget.com/2018-05-08-waymo-snow-navigation.ht...
Re: Tesla’s CV Approach to Autonomous Driving Built an Unassailable Lead in FSD
#3We will need better-than-vision to drive safely - whiteness all the humans that pile up in multi-car crashes when it gets foggy or snowing.
Lidar, or something like it, will have to be part of the equation given that the best visual processing computers of all time (human brains) don’t get enough data from their systems to make good choices in bad weather.
Re: Tesla’s CV Approach to Autonomous Driving Built an Unassailable Lead in FSD
#4We will need better-than-vision to drive safely - whiteness all the humans that pile up in multi-car crashes when it gets foggy or snowing. Lidar, or something like it, will have to be part of the equation given that the best visual processing computers of all time (human brains) don’t get enough data from their systems to make good choices in bad weather.
Note both Waymo and Tesla have sensor fusion systems. I believe both are using CV and (ultrasonic?) radar, Waymo is additionally including Lidar.
https://thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/2020/03/04/waymo-reve...
Re: Tesla’s CV Approach to Autonomous Driving Built an Unassailable Lead in FSD
#5We will need better-than-vision to drive safely - whiteness all the humans that pile up in multi-car crashes when it gets foggy or snowing. Lidar, or something like it, will have to be part of the equation given that the best visual processing computers of all time (human brains) don’t get enough data from their systems to make good choices in bad weather.
Wouldn't the simple solution here to limit speed such that it can stop within the distance that can be seen to be clear ahead? I mean this is exactly how you are supposed to drive but few actually do (which leads to perverse situations where you have to drive faster than you safely can to avoid someone driving into the back of you at 70mph in heavy fog).
Re: Tesla’s CV Approach to Autonomous Driving Built an Unassailable Lead in FSD
#6Given the early stage, I find the idea of anyone having an "unassailable lead" to be laughable.
The idea that the one with such a lead is Tesla is even more laughable, and I say that as someone that actually likes some significant elements of Tesla's approach. Although I pretty strongly dislike some aspects too.
Re: Tesla’s CV Approach to Autonomous Driving Built an Unassailable Lead in FSD
#7hmm, I think the author missed that Waymo drove in snow 3 years ago [0], obviously outside of Pheonix. They also don't seem to understand it's CV + Lidar, not versus... I'd be surprised at a CV only system that can handle snow like seen in the Waymo example. The rest of the article does not hold up once you realize the author is in an either-or mindset and thinks Waymo is not using CV, which they are, and has vertica…
Yeah. The author here is just wrong.
Tesla's bet on CV is the biggest thing holding it back and everyone else is using both. Does Tesla have the best and most sophisticated CV tech? Probably. Is that better than having LIDAR and CV? Probably not.
Re: Tesla’s CV Approach to Autonomous Driving Built an Unassailable Lead in FSD
#8Tesla shills are very good at selling fraud.
Re: Tesla’s CV Approach to Autonomous Driving Built an Unassailable Lead in FSD
#9We will need better-than-vision to drive safely - whiteness all the humans that pile up in multi-car crashes when it gets foggy or snowing. Lidar, or something like it, will have to be part of the equation given that the best visual processing computers of all time (human brains) don’t get enough data from their systems to make good choices in bad weather.
Wouldn't the simple solution here to limit speed such that it can stop within the distance that can be seen to be clear ahead? I mean this is exactly how you are supposed to drive but few actually do (which leads to perverse situations where you have to drive faster than you safely can to avoid someone driving into the back of you at 70mph in heavy fog).
Heh, indeed, and is why there's huge pileups when it's slightly surprisingly wet, slippery, icy, foggy, etc.
Clearly if people drove for conditions you would not have giant pileups when the weather changes.
Re: Tesla’s CV Approach to Autonomous Driving Built an Unassailable Lead in FSD
#10I don't know how this will pan out, but I've seen a lot of criticism of Tesla "only" using vision, as if it's a ridiculous concept that will never work.
But humans drive... only using vision.
Maybe it's not possible for Tesla to get true FSD using only video data given current technology, but the idea that it's laughable doesn't make any sense to me. People drive in new environments, using only their eyes, all the time.