Immutable Linux desktop with OpenSUSE and Snaps

Shared404 wrote: post #3

elitistphoenix wrote: post #2

You had me at immutable but you lost me at snaps

I saw someone on r/linux recently with a Fedora Silverblue install with all apps installed through Flatpak. We're getting there. Edit: CoreOS -> Silverblue. Thanks to LeoPanthera.

Isn't that Fedora Silverblue, not CoreOS?

Re: Immutable Linux desktop with OpenSUSE and Snaps

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Post by Shared404 » Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 5:10 AM UTC

LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

Shared404 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw someone on r/linux recently with a Fedora Silverblue install with all apps installed through Flatpak. We're getting there. Edit: CoreOS -> Silverblue. Thanks to LeoPanthera.

Isn't that Fedora Silverblue, not CoreOS?

Yep, thanks for the fix. I don't do much in Fedora-land these days.

Re: Immutable Linux desktop with OpenSUSE and Snaps

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Post by lurker1928 » Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 5:19 AM UTC

Shared404 wrote: post #3

elitistphoenix wrote: post #2

You had me at immutable but you lost me at snaps

I saw someone on r/linux recently with a Fedora Silverblue install with all apps installed through Flatpak. We're getting there. Edit: CoreOS -> Silverblue. Thanks to LeoPanthera.

Have been using Silverblue for the past few years as my daily driver. Definitely a game changer, have all of my apps installed in a toolbox or via Flatpak. Can honestly say I have never had a system this stable before.

Re: Immutable Linux desktop with OpenSUSE and Snaps

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Post by timClicks » Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 5:32 AM UTC

The /snap directory is such a ridiculous wart. I really like snaps but they should be unobtrusive, or at least configure-able.

Re: Immutable Linux desktop with OpenSUSE and Snaps

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Post by turbinerneiter » Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 6:10 AM UTC

lurker1928 wrote: post #6

Shared404 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw someone on r/linux recently with a Fedora Silverblue install with all apps installed through Flatpak. We're getting there. Edit: CoreOS -> Silverblue. Thanks to LeoPanthera.

Have been using Silverblue for the past few years as my daily driver. Definitely a game changer, have all of my apps installed in a toolbox or via Flatpak. Can honestly say I have never had a system this stable before.

I started using it a couple of weeks ago and while I love the idea, I still feel there is some unsolved issues. I.e. Powerline does not work that well, accessing serial ports (microcontroller programming) requires a weird hack that is not fully working.

It is definitely usable and even good, but there is edge cases that ere not figured out, I feel. It needs more blog Posts, Docs, Tutorials ...

Re: Immutable Linux desktop with OpenSUSE and Snaps

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Post by Conan_Kudo » Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 6:41 AM UTC

timClicks wrote: post #7

The /snap directory is such a ridiculous wart. I really like snaps but they should be unobtrusive, or at least configure-able.

As one of the folks that was present during the early decision-making around this, this was a wart that I wish the team had heeded me on fixing early on. Once they introduced "classically confined" snaps (that is, snaps that have no confinement and exposed the real filesystem hierarchy to them), there was no fixing this anymore. To be clear, the decision to stick to their guns on /snap predates the introduction of "classically confined" snaps.

The reason that "classically confined" snaps don't work on Fedora out of the box and don't work on Fedora Silverblue at all is because of this wart. Fedora's snapd uses an alternate path because /snap is not allowed. This means that /snap path doesn't exist, but it also means that "normal" snaps work fine on all Fedora variants, since it doesn't require an FHS hierarchy mutation.

Re: Immutable Linux desktop with OpenSUSE and Snaps

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Post by usr1106 » Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 7:24 AM UTC

elitistphoenix wrote: post #2

You had me at immutable but you lost me at snaps

I am using Linux because it is open source. I can tinker if soemthing does not work and I can switch servers or run my own if there is an issue with the organization running the server.

Without having deeply investigated myself I read the snap server is proprietary, nobody can run another instance. So nothing I want spend time on to even understand. (The client side gets some complaints, too. But without understanding the system I don't want to form an opinion, I uninstall it from the Ubuntu systems I still have.)