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Still trust restaurant reviews?

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Re: Still trust restaurant reviews?

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Trust? Nobody has ever 'trusted' reviews by other people. They've used them to help make decisions, but 'trust'?

I use reviews to find the negatives of something, and then decide if that negative bothers me. Filtering out people with an axe to grind can be an art all in itself, but many people are pretty easy to spot.

Re: Still trust restaurant reviews?

#3
I trust Yelp/Urbanspoon reviews the same way I trust Amazon reviews: By reading them and looking for clues that the reviewer is real and has astes and concerns similar to mine. I gloss over uncritical reviews, whether they're real or not; a review that says "everything was great but the fries" I'll put stock in.

It's possible that astroturfers could start taking that into account, but it's hard to imagine. The kind of people who stuff Yelp reviews generally have personality quirks that would prevent them from allowing any negative feedback.

Re: Still trust restaurant reviews?

#4
I don't bother with 5 star or 1 star reviews. Too much emotion to be sensibly reviewed.

Three stars provide a nice balance. Things like "food was good, but service was slow." I find more valuable than a 2 paragraph review about how a waiter spilled a glass of water and only comped one entrée or a five paragraph review that can be summarized as "I love this place more than breathing."

Re: Still trust restaurant reviews?

#5

Trust? Nobody has ever 'trusted' reviews by other people. They've used them to help make decisions, but 'trust'? I use reviews to find the negatives of something, and then decide if that negative bothers me. Filtering out people with an axe to grind can be an art all in itself, but many people are pretty easy to spot.

Yeah, there are two types of reviewers:

1) I review every place I go.

2) I want to punish/warn people about a bad experience.

The first type is way more useful, since there is no way to tell whether one person's bad experience is typical or not.

Re: Still trust restaurant reviews?

#7
> To solve the anonymous review problem, its time to inject real identities into recommendations.

People are usually more honest when speaking anonymously -- not the other way around. It may help with astroturfing and flaming temporarily, but competitors and trolls will always find a way around real identity online.

Re: Still trust restaurant reviews?

#8
Part of the point of the review model of Yelp (and Amazon, for that matter) is that you don't have to trust a review. You only have to trust the consensus of all of the reviewers - which, at best, is very, very hard to spoof. When I see a place on yelp with a 4-star average on 1000 reviews, I feel very confident about going there. It's hard to get to that critical mass, but far from impossible - and you don't need someone's "real name." This is actually somewhere where Yelp is doing well, too - they give people a _persistent_ identity. You should trust reviews from someone who's written 100 reviews more than a review from someone who signed up just to review a single place - and Yelp makes that judgment easy by putting the information right in front of you. Blizzard and other strategies have demonstrated that real names aren't necessary for a good community - just persistent names.

Also, I have to laugh that the UrbanTag folks approvingly cite the complaint that existing reviews sites are "giving customers “the upper hand” in determining an establishment’s reputation." Well, yes, they are. That's the point. That power has always rested in customers' hands, because that's what reputation is: what other people think of you. You can work on your reputation and "manage" it and "optimize" it, but if it's not what other people think, it's not reputation. Business owners neither need nor deserve control over other people's opinions - look at those asshole doctors that were linked here a while back, forcing customers to sign agreements that amounted to "we can sue you for posting a negative review of us on Yelp."

As for unreasonable customers: that's nearly as overblown as the threat of piracy, and if your business can't deal with unreasonable customers gracefully (not the same as caving and giving them what they ask for), you deserve to go out of business.

Re: Still trust restaurant reviews?

#9
I really wish there was a professional review company that charged restaurants for the reviews and then made the information public. Zagat's model of charging for the ratings isn't helpful because the reviews are limited to their ecosystem and don't show up in the places I read reviews (seamlessweb, google, etc)

Yelp reviews are so astroturfed the ratings are useless.

Re: Still trust restaurant reviews?

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post #7

> To solve the anonymous review problem, its time to inject real identities into recommendations. People are usually more honest when speaking anonymously -- not the other way around. It may help with astroturfing and flaming temporarily, but competitors and trolls will always find a way around real identity online.

Interesting point - what if your reviews are shared between your friends? Our findings are that people can be honest in a community where they know their recommendations will mostly help their friends find great places.
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