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Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 using cooling towers

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Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 using cooling towers

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Hello HN!

I'm Josh, one of the co-founders of Noya (https://noyalabs.com). Noya is designing a cheaper process to capture CO2 directly from the atmosphere. We do this by retrofitting industrial cooling towers owned and operated by other companies to perform carbon capture. We then sell the captured CO2 to companies that need it, and pay a piece of the proceeds to the companies that own the cooling towers.

As the wildfires in California became worse and worse, my co-founder (and roommate at the time) Daniel and I became increasingly concerned that we weren't doing enough to be a part of the solution. The more that climate catastrophes became the norm, the more we became obsessed with one seemingly-simple question:

If climate change is caused by having too much CO2 in the sky... can't we just reverse it by yanking CO2 out of the sky?

Humans have known how to scrub CO2 out of gas mixtures for almost a century [1]; but, we haven't been able to widely apply this type of tech to scrubbing CO2 from the air because of its high cost. For example, one popular direct air capture project is estimated to capture 1M tons of CO2/year [2], but has an estimated equipment cost of $700M and all-in costs of ~$1.1B [3]. The single largest component of this cost is in the piece of equipment called the air contactor — the big wall of fans you see in the image linked above — which clocks in at $212M by itself. Yet fundamentally, all that air contactors do is put air into contact with something that captures CO2, whether it's an aqueous capture solution or some sort of solid sorbent.

These costs felt astronomical to Daniel and I, so we set out with the singular focus to reduce the costs of carbon capture by reducing the costs of the air contactor. But no matter how we thought about it, we couldn’t get around the fact that to capture meaningful amounts of CO2, you need to move massive amounts of air since CO2 is very dilute in the atmosphere (0.04% by volume). Looking at the existing solutions, we began to understand why it makes sense to build something equally massive: so you can go after economies of scale.

As Daniel and I were feeling stuck late one night, he got a call from his dad. They started talking about the refrigeration facility Daniel’s dad runs in Venezuela (where Daniel's from), and they started talking about the cooling towers at the facility. Cooling towers move air and water into contact with each other to provide cooling to industrial processes (descriptive video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXaK8_F8dn0). As Daniel listened to his dad, Daniel realized that if we could just add the blend of CO2-absorbing chemicals we had been developing into the water his dad’s cooling tower used, we could use it as an air contactor and achieve CO2 capture at the same time the cooling tower was cooling its processes. This eliminates the need to build millions of dollars worth of dedicated equipment to pluck CO2 from the sky.

Our cooling-tower-based carbon capture process works as follows: we add our chemical carbon capture blend into a cooling tower's water, we connect the tower to some pieces of downstream processing equipment to regenerate the captured CO2, and then we pressurize the CO2 into cylinders for sale as "reclaimed CO2" to companies that need it. All of this is installed onto a cooling tower that another company already owns and operates. In exchange for letting us install this process on their towers, we will cover the cost of installation, and the companies will get a piece of the revenue generated through the sale of their CO2.

We’re well on our way towards making this process a reality. We’ve partnered with a local farm to install our process in their cooling towers, and we've just produced CO2 using our industrial-scale prototype.

We're excited for the opportunity to reverse climate change and ensure we have a future on this planet that is good. Please let us know what questions, concerns, or feedback you have about what we're building - I’ll be here all day!

[1]: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/325/5948/1652

[2]: https://blogs-images.forbes.com/jamesconca/files/2019/10/1-a...

[3]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S254243511...

Re: Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 using cooling towers

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If you're not injecting the CO2 underground in a stable form, how does this reverse climate change? It sounds like it's simply a cheaper option in some circumstances for sourcing CO2 from the air (compared to traditional solutions by Airgas). Not to take away from your efforts! I think this is a fine improvement to CO2 process needs if you can replace more expensive air extraction techniques, but it doesn't contribute to improving climate change without sequestering the harvested atmospheric CO2.

Re: Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 using cooling towers

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I'm confused, isn't the price of co2 very low? I would guess the oil and gas industry have a lot of co2 to spare. Have you tested this process and mixture?

Great question - the oil and gas industry is definitely responsible for a huge chunk of CO2 emissions, but they are not the ones that produce CO2 used commercially. Most CO2 that is used at breweries, restaurants, etc comes from ethanol plants: https://www.attisbiofuels.com/by-products/carbon-dioxide

From conversations we've had with CO2 buyers, the price for CO2 ranges from between $150-5,000 / ton depending on things like how much is being bought, length of time committed in a contract, etc.

We have tested this mixture out with the industrial prototype in our office, yes! We've shown our cooling tower is able to capture CO2 from the air, and we are able to regenerate and pressurize that CO2 into cylinders.

Re: Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 using cooling towers

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post #2

I'm confused, isn't the price of co2 very low? I would guess the oil and gas industry have a lot of co2 to spare. Have you tested this process and mixture?

Cant edit. Also, would it be effective to build new cooling towers? Our doors it work only where there's a source of co2?

Re: Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 using cooling towers

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Huh, smart idea to piggyback off existing infrastructure. Have you contacted Stripe Climate? They are directing money from stripe businesses to fund carbon removal, and they just put out a call for new companies to contact them.

Believe I saw it within past 7-10 days on Patrick Collison’s twitter. Here’s the link. Has details and an application: https://mobile.twitter.com/orbuch/status/1359926307149148162

Btw for anyone with a business using stripe: stripe climate is now open for anyone worldwide. I set it up to contribute 1% of my revenues. And it should be deductible as a marketing expense: Stripe let’s you out it on your checkout, invoice and receipt. The founder of Nomadlist found it increased his conversions. Haven’t tested it personally but plausibly it’s actually profit generating.

Probably the most impactful climate decision you can make with your business, takes 30 seconds to set up, and may boost your revenue.

https://stripe.com/climate

Re: Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 using cooling towers

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If you're not injecting the CO2 underground in a stable form, how does this reverse climate change? It sounds like it's simply a cheaper option in some circumstances for sourcing CO2 from the air (compared to traditional solutions by Airgas). Not to take away from your efforts! I think this is a fine improvement to CO2 process needs if you can replace more expensive air extraction techniques, but it doesn't contribut…

Feels to me like the intention of selling the gas is to offset operational costs until a carbon market for sequestering it underground becomes available?

Re: Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 using cooling towers

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If you're not injecting the CO2 underground in a stable form, how does this reverse climate change? It sounds like it's simply a cheaper option in some circumstances for sourcing CO2 from the air (compared to traditional solutions by Airgas). Not to take away from your efforts! I think this is a fine improvement to CO2 process needs if you can replace more expensive air extraction techniques, but it doesn't contribut…

Right now jet fuel comes from the ground, so we are actively adding to the atmospheric stock. This gives a way to leave that carbon stored and use what’s in the atmosphere instead.

And if they can extract it economically, governments or private actors can pay them to sequester some of the carbon instead.

Re: Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 using cooling towers

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post #9

If you're not injecting the CO2 underground in a stable form, how does this reverse climate change? It sounds like it's simply a cheaper option in some circumstances for sourcing CO2 from the air (compared to traditional solutions by Airgas). Not to take away from your efforts! I think this is a fine improvement to CO2 process needs if you can replace more expensive air extraction techniques, but it doesn't contribut…

Right now jet fuel comes from the ground, so we are actively adding to the atmospheric stock. This gives a way to leave that carbon stored and use what’s in the atmosphere instead. And if they can extract it economically, governments or private actors can pay them to sequester some of the carbon instead.

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