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MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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These stories usually spur more enthusiasm for buying cryptocurrency, but ironically those buyers aren’t interested in spending cryptocurrency using their MasterCard.

They’re hoping other people will buy cryptocurrency from these announcements, driving the price up. Or, more likely, they’re just hoping other people will buy cryptocurrency and not use it in these spending systems.

Spending cryptocurrency would result in selling that cryptocurrency, which would drive the price down. That’s not what cryptocurrency investors actually want.

Should also note that MasterCard crypto transactions almost certainly won’t be settled on the blockchain. Not with $8 Bitcoin transaction fees. They’ll just be denominated in cryptocurrency and people can deposit/withdraw in certain cryptocurrencies. MasterCard only needs to buy and sell on the blockchain as needed to provide an FX window. The actual transactions would be stored in traditional database systems (aside from customer deposits/withdrawals, just like Coinbase)

Why? Because MasterCard would get to act as an exchange and collect exchange fees. Exchange fees are a great way to charge consumers for spending their own money in 2021, when normal credit cards actually pay people 1-2% to use them. Cryptocurrency’s inefficiency is their financial upside.

Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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The game Paypal currently plays with Crypto is the closest thing to printing money I have ever seen:

Their users can "buy and sell Bitcoin" and pay "no fees". How does Paypal make money? "From the spread". The difference between bid and ask. And who sets the spread? Drumroll ... Paypal!

Since you cannot transfer your bitcoins out, when you sell your bitcoins, Paypal pays you whatever they like.

So far, Paypal only offers this in the United States. And do the Americans take this offer? Yes! They buy over a billion dollars worth of Bitcoin per month on Paypal. If this continues, it means that every American from toddler to senior buys $50 worth of Bitcoin per year.

Other companies in the finance industry will want the same free lunch. Run on crypto in 3..2..1..

This will continue until the first companies will start to offer you to transfer your crypto out. Then slowly the market will normalize. Now everyone has crypto. In their paypal/mastercard/bank/whatever account and/or in their own wallet.

Looks like chances for broader crypto adoption are pretty good.

Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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I don't want mastercard supporting crypto. I want the merchants and payment providers supporting crypto so I do not have to use mastercard and their "rules". If I want to pay for porn or send a donation to wikileaks I do not want mastercard/paypal or anyone else other than the government (if it's legal I should be allowed to pay for it) deciding if that is ok.

Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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These stories usually spur more enthusiasm for buying cryptocurrency, but ironically those buyers aren’t interested in spending cryptocurrency using their MasterCard. They’re hoping other people will buy cryptocurrency from these announcements, driving the price up. Or, more likely, they’re just hoping other people will buy cryptocurrency and not use it in these spending systems. Spending cryptocurrency would result…

I’m in the minority in that I’d like to be able to spend my cryptocurrency in a way that:

1. The card handles also selling some off for taxes every transaction and put that in an interest-accruing account.

2. The card tracked my capital gains for each transaction for easy reporting on taxes.

3. The card provider will help manage fees - I’d rather bulk deposit funds to a layer2 and have fee-less payments over having to wonder what the current network fee is.

I’d prefer if it wasn’t MasterCard since I use Visa cards, but I can’t complain too much.

The reason I want this is that I have a lot of money in cryptocurrencies and I’d rather not sell them into other assets at the moment.

Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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The game Paypal currently plays with Crypto is the closest thing to printing money I have ever seen: Their users can "buy and sell Bitcoin" and pay "no fees". How does Paypal make money? "From the spread". The difference between bid and ask. And who sets the spread? Drumroll ... Paypal! Since you cannot transfer your bitcoins out, when you sell your bitcoins, Paypal pays you whatever they like. So far, Paypal only of…

Same with their forex rates. What's new.

Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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I thought the whole idea of Bitcoin was to get out of the financial system that Mastercard is a central piece of.

The original idea of Bitcoin was to have a currency that wasn’t in government control - not to keep the government and big banks away from it.

The current world of cryptocurrency gives you a choice of trusting big banks or not, and having the same economic opportunities regardless of the level of trust you are comfortable with.

Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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The game Paypal currently plays with Crypto is the closest thing to printing money I have ever seen: Their users can "buy and sell Bitcoin" and pay "no fees". How does Paypal make money? "From the spread". The difference between bid and ask. And who sets the spread? Drumroll ... Paypal! Since you cannot transfer your bitcoins out, when you sell your bitcoins, Paypal pays you whatever they like. So far, Paypal only of…

That is outright scam in my view. They never have to hold bitcoin. They may as well sell paypal coin. Robinhood and Revolut do the same thing. If you can't transfer out your bitcoin, you don't have any bitcoin.
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