Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology
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Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology
#2I like the honesty on https://collapseos.org/civ.html but I get a very John Titor vibe from the author- To be honest if we have the collapse he envisions I think most people would be too worried about food to care about bootstrapping something on random hardware. However cyberpunk or fallout cool the idea is... still, was a fun read.
Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology
#3On https://collapseos.org/why.html he says:
> I expect our global supply chain to collapse before we reach 2030
What's he going to say if we get to 2030 and his predicted collapse hasn't happened yet? "I was wrong" or "It's just taking a little longer than I expected"?
Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology
#4On https://collapseos.org/why.html he says: > I expect our global supply chain to collapse before we reach 2030 What's he going to say if we get to 2030 and his predicted collapse hasn't happened yet? "I was wrong" or "It's just taking a little longer than I expected"?
Doesn't really matter. The project's value doesn't require the collapse to happen by then or any specific time. In any case, the author found value for themselves in building their project even if the collapse never happens:
> But nevertheless, this idea seems too powerful to not try it. And even if it proves futile, it's a lot of fun to try.
Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology
#5Genuine question: if we're in a collapse scenario that is so devastating to the global supply chain that we're scavenging microcontrollers, how do we generate electricity to power them? Solar panels and batteries don't last forever and would presumably require the same or similar supply chain as the microcontrollers. This is a cool project regardless, but in such a catastrophic scenario it seems easier to just give up on computing and go back to more primitive technology. If I can't get a single thing delivered, I see myself collecting rainwater and gardening, not compiling Forth to an old Z80.
Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology
#6On https://collapseos.org/why.html he says: > I expect our global supply chain to collapse before we reach 2030 What's he going to say if we get to 2030 and his predicted collapse hasn't happened yet? "I was wrong" or "It's just taking a little longer than I expected"?
Doesn't really matter. The project's value doesn't require the collapse to happen by then or any specific time. In any case, the author found value for themselves in building their project even if the collapse never happens: > But nevertheless, this idea seems too powerful to not try it. And even if it proves futile, it's a lot of fun to try.
I'm not saying the project is without value; I think if the author or others find educational/aesthetic/recreational/etc benefit from it, that's great.
It is like TempleOS. Not useful for its purported purpose of communicating with God, but nonetheless interesting and valuable as an example of a single person developing a programming language and OS, which even has a few novel ideas in it.
Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology
#7Genuine question: if we're in a collapse scenario that is so devastating to the global supply chain that we're scavenging microcontrollers, how do we generate electricity to power them? Solar panels and batteries don't last forever and would presumably require the same or similar supply chain as the microcontrollers. This is a cool project regardless, but in such a catastrophic scenario it seems easier to just give u…
Building/refurbishing lead acid batteries wouldn't be all that difficult immediately post collapse.
Solar panels can also be refurbished. For poly silicon cells, it's mostly the contacts that degrade, and you can improve that with a soldering iron. A bit more work, but still doable, would be a forming gas anneal, which can additionally passivate defects.
Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology
#8Genuine question: if we're in a collapse scenario that is so devastating to the global supply chain that we're scavenging microcontrollers, how do we generate electricity to power them? Solar panels and batteries don't last forever and would presumably require the same or similar supply chain as the microcontrollers. This is a cool project regardless, but in such a catastrophic scenario it seems easier to just give u…
You can scavenge car's alternators and use a water wheel or windmill to turn it. Alternators can work for a decade with minimum maintenance. Just have five or six stashed, just in case. They can supply 40A at 12V, or using a transformer to up the voltage, 4A at 120V.
Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology
#9Genuine question: if we're in a collapse scenario that is so devastating to the global supply chain that we're scavenging microcontrollers, how do we generate electricity to power them? Solar panels and batteries don't last forever and would presumably require the same or similar supply chain as the microcontrollers. This is a cool project regardless, but in such a catastrophic scenario it seems easier to just give u…
There are lots of ways to generate electricity. You can build a bicycle dynamo or a wood burning steam turbine pretty easily. People had wind turbines charging batteries a hundred years ago.
Re: Collapse OS – bootstrap post-collapse technology
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't really matter. The project's value doesn't require the collapse to happen by then or any specific time. In any case, the author found value for themselves in building their project even if the collapse never happens: > But nevertheless, this idea seems too powerful to not try it. And even if it proves futile, it's a lot of fun to try.
I'm not saying the project is without value; I think if the author or others find educational/aesthetic/recreational/etc benefit from it, that's great. It is like TempleOS. Not useful for its purported purpose of communicating with God, but nonetheless interesting and valuable as an example of a single person developing a programming language and OS, which even has a few novel ideas in it.
Except this one could serve its purported purpose, even if a collapse doesn't happen by 2030.
A collapse doesn't even need to happen ever. As I see it, its purpose is to be available as a safety net.