Eclipse Orion

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Post by d_c » Mon, May 23, 2011, 6:57 AM UTC

Eclipse Orion
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Re: Eclipse Orion

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Post by zubairov » Mon, May 23, 2011, 7:24 AM UTC

Is Orion a new e5? What happened with e4? What the rest of Eclipse Foundation and Eclipse Projects think about it?

Re: Eclipse Orion

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Post by Sandman » Mon, May 23, 2011, 8:03 AM UTC

zubairov wrote: post #2

Is Orion a new e5? What happened with e4? What the rest of Eclipse Foundation and Eclipse Projects think about it?

No, Orion is not e5, as far as I can see it's a set of browser-based tools for developing web apps. E4, by the way, is alive and well, it's release schedule is aligned with Indigo's. So, you can download the latest build (it's a RC1), and the final release should be in June.

Re: Eclipse Orion

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Post by ldite » Mon, May 23, 2011, 8:12 AM UTC

From the Eclipse wiki: "Orion's objective is to create a browser-based open tool integration platform which is entirely focused on developing for the web, in the web. Tools are written in JavaScript and run in the browser. Unlike other attempts at creating browser-based development tools, this is not an IDE running in a single tab. Links work and can be shared. You can open a file in a new tab. Great care has been taken to provide a web experience for development."

So, to spare me finding headphones and watching 10 minutes of video, is this meant to be more than a syntax-highlighting text box without a right-click context menu? (FF 4.01)

Re: Eclipse Orion

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, May 23, 2011, 8:18 AM UTC

Sandman wrote: post #3

zubairov wrote: post #2

Is Orion a new e5? What happened with e4? What the rest of Eclipse Foundation and Eclipse Projects think about it?

No, Orion is not e5, as far as I can see it's a set of browser-based tools for developing web apps. E4, by the way, is alive and well, it's release schedule is aligned with Indigo's. So, you can download the latest build (it's a RC1), and the final release should be in June.

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Re: Eclipse Orion

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Post by zubairov » Mon, May 23, 2011, 8:18 AM UTC

Sandman wrote: post #3

zubairov wrote: post #2

Is Orion a new e5? What happened with e4? What the rest of Eclipse Foundation and Eclipse Projects think about it?

No, Orion is not e5, as far as I can see it's a set of browser-based tools for developing web apps. E4, by the way, is alive and well, it's release schedule is aligned with Indigo's. So, you can download the latest build (it's a RC1), and the final release should be in June.

So, that's the third branch from Eclipse projects? I mean Eclipse platform, E4 and now Orion. Will it converge? What shall Eclipse Plugin developers now do? Develop Orion plugins? Develop E4 plugins? Or just contact Cloud9IDE guys?

Re: Eclipse Orion

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Post by lordlarm » Mon, May 23, 2011, 8:43 AM UTC

tl;dr of 10 minutes video:

- All code uploaded to their orion servers

- Import of .zip files

- git commit and diff functionality

- Try your code with by running webserver username.orion.eclipse.org

- Syntax highlighting (at least for js)

- Use of JSLint for syntax navigation and error notification

- Keyboard bindings as you know them from desktop applications

- Handles huge files without any noticable delay (40000 lines+)

Oh and as I understood it, it is a beta and some functionality are not fully implemented, like the .git support.

Personally I believe some things are better of being a desktop application - and do not like the trend with _everything_ on the web, but the project itself is a cool idea and great implementation.

Re: Eclipse Orion

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Post by latch » Mon, May 23, 2011, 8:46 AM UTC

it's kinda neat..undo doesn't work (in chrome w/mac anyways). Can someone enlighten me with some practical purposes for these sorta things? My imagination isn't working.

Re: Eclipse Orion

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Post by fierarul » Mon, May 23, 2011, 8:48 AM UTC

Until they add Java support they shouldn't even be using the Eclipse name.

I know Eclipse supports other languages, but essentially Eclipse is the biggest Java IDE so announcing this web editor but avoiding Java support feels like they just picked the most easy thing to show off.

Syntax highlighting is easy. What I want is a Java editor with code completion, code folding and error highlighting/error stripe. Otherwise we might just use Emacs over NaCl.

Re: Eclipse Orion

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Post by ramblerman » Mon, May 23, 2011, 8:57 AM UTC

fierarul wrote: post #9

Until they add Java support they shouldn't even be using the Eclipse name. I know Eclipse supports other languages, but essentially Eclipse is the biggest Java IDE so announcing this web editor but avoiding Java support feels like they just picked the most easy thing to show off. Syntax highlighting is easy. What I want is a Java editor with code completion, code folding and error highlighting/error stripe. Otherwise…

how quickly the world owes you something...

It's not about showing off, it's about releasing early and getting some users to start a feedback cycle. To berate them over using the eclipse name because it's not what "you" want is just petty.

The idea of a web IDE is still a new concept. And maybe some things aren't meant for the cloud. It's awesome that these guys are experimenting with the notion. How can you expect them to just release a finished (open source) product out of the blue?