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China CCP to Nationalize Jack Ma's Alibaba and Ant Group – Report

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Re: China CCP to Nationalize Jack Ma's Alibaba and Ant Group – Report

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Is it me or there's some cognitive dissonance going on with the whole article discussing the ramifications of a nationalization without describing at all what sourced this "news" in the first place?

A cursory search seems to show this is a regurgitation on a sourceless Radio Free Asia article (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/alibaba-probe-1225202...) from December?

Re: China CCP to Nationalize Jack Ma's Alibaba and Ant Group – Report

#4
Wow. This, alongside Jack Ma being "missing", is really curious.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/jack-ma-missing-232138645....

Best, semi-legit source I can find, there's other news postings, but from more tabloid and sources that aren't as sincere as Yahoo Financial News.

Which, itself is curious, because CNBC spins it differently:

"https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/05/alibaba-founder-jack-ma-is-l..."

Which also falls under the AU-CN struggle, but also curious about how CNBC did not outright say he's missing yet.

And technically, both could be correct, imprisoned means missing from society but not exactly "missing" in terms of knowing general wherebouts.

Re: China CCP to Nationalize Jack Ma's Alibaba and Ant Group – Report

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China previously required Alibaba and other companies to accept government officials within their companies.

https://www.ft.com/content/055a1864-ddd3-11e9-b112-9624ec9ed...

Fraser Howie, author of "Red Capitalism", says that all Chinese corporations are either state owned enterprises or state overseen enterprises. It appears China may want to transition Alibaba from the latter to the former.

Re: China CCP to Nationalize Jack Ma's Alibaba and Ant Group – Report

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post #4

Wow. This, alongside Jack Ma being "missing", is really curious. https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/jack-ma-missing-232138645.... Best, semi-legit source I can find, there's other news postings, but from more tabloid and sources that aren't as sincere as Yahoo Financial News. Which, itself is curious, because CNBC spins it differently: " https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/05/alibaba-founder-jack-ma-is-l... " Which also fall…

I am most surprised about how surprised everyone is about these events. Did Jack Ma think he was going to tell the CCP how it is? China is executing an executive for bribery and corruption [1] (a lot of bribery and corruption though!).

Perhaps it's simply the Overton Window [2] delta between the US and China.

[1] https://www.dw.com/en/china-sentences-ex-banker-to-death-for...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

(nothing in this comment should be construed as approval, support, etc for the actions of the CCP; this is only intended as an observation)

Re: China CCP to Nationalize Jack Ma's Alibaba and Ant Group – Report

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I was thinking about nationalization separately from this. The west has invested a lot into the Chinese economy hoping to translate the corresponding equity into growth. I wonder if the Chinese are really long term interested in honoring the equity.

Meaning - take the money now, grow the businesses and the economy and then at some point say "It's stupid that we're letting foreigners have 20% (or whatever) ownership of our economy" and just deem it illegal / confiscate that equity.

Obviously it will prevent future foreign investment but if China is in a place where they don't care about that, it would be the move.

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