Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

#1

Post by samename » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 4:29 PM UTC

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

#2

Post by dmitriid » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 4:36 PM UTC

Without reading the details, LiveView in Phoenix (Elixir) sends HTML/DOM updates only. Hotwire sounds pretty similar (and it's a good thing IMO)

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

#3

Post by jarym » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 4:38 PM UTC

I won't say this is a step backwards in terms of progress but it is a step back to the way things used to be done in the early days of Ajax - albeit with a slightly more modern approach.

It is appropriate for some applications and not for others. That's just my view.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

#4

Post by mmastrac » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 4:38 PM UTC

What's old is new again. I recall ASP.NET had some interesting tech around this in the 2000s where it could dynamically update parts of the page.

If I recall correctly, this made use of that new technology of the time called "XMLHttpRequest" (/s) which pretty much jump-started web 2.0.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

#5

Post by heidarb » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 4:39 PM UTC

For those unaware, this is the "new magic" that dhh has been on about since HEY was in beta.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

#6

Post by fuball63 » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 4:40 PM UTC

I read a little about Turbo, not sure I get it, is this like htmx? https://htmx.org/

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

#7

Post by corytheboyd » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 4:40 PM UTC

I get the feeling it will draw a bit of criticism from this crowd. IMO it’s fine to experiment with tech like this, but I have to wonder where sending HTML fragments over Websockets instead of HTTP falls apart.

Curious to hear about the success/horror stories in a few months/years from any adopters :)

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

#8

Post by vittore » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 4:40 PM UTC

mmastrac wrote: post #4

What's old is new again. I recall ASP.NET had some interesting tech around this in the 2000s where it could dynamically update parts of the page. If I recall correctly, this made use of that new technology of the time called "XMLHttpRequest" (/s) which pretty much jump-started web 2.0.

good ol' ASP.NET 2.0

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

#9

Post by CrazyStat » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 4:41 PM UTC

jarym wrote: post #3

I won't say this is a step backwards in terms of progress but it is a step back to the way things used to be done in the early days of Ajax - albeit with a slightly more modern approach. It is appropriate for some applications and not for others. That's just my view.

I'm not really a web dev, though I've built a couple small (mostly static) sites.

Could you expand a bit on what makes it appropriate or not for different applications?

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

#10

Post by paxys » Tue, Dec 22, 2020, 4:41 PM UTC

It's hilarious that web servers rendering HTML and sending it to the browser over a TCP connection is now "cool new tech".