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Postdocs under pressure: ‘Can I even do this any more?’

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Re: Postdocs under pressure: ‘Can I even do this any more?’

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Postgraduate student depression and suicidality is at horrifying proportions. The universities don't care. No one cares. Academia is super fucked and super fucked up, and it just keeps marching onward with blindfold on and fingers in ears, yelling "LA LA LA LA" as loud as possible.

Academic positions are basically gone. Whatever didn't vanish completely after the 2009 recession is definitely gone now. Universities continue to purge full professorship as a possibility and continue to shovel more work for less pay onto adjuncts and graduate students making less than minimum wage. And then they put on a big smile for the kids and say "One day you will be a college professor. Look how nice it is. You should join us." A huge lie. A huge malicious pyramid scheme of a scam. Every program churns out PhDs by the dozens every year. Which academic positions are they going to fill? Which of their advisors are retiring? There aren't any positions. Nobody is retiring.

And if you think that _science_ is bad, try a non-science field. There's lots of machines being built out there in the world. There's not a lot of people these days giving enough shits to pay historians.

I can't think of any other area where it's the _norm_ to need a support group to not quit or kill yourself because a fortress of gold has gaslit you into a deathmarch toward a tiny-fraction-of-a-percent chance of success.

Re: Postdocs under pressure: ‘Can I even do this any more?’

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I’m currently writing my dissertation and still debating whether to stay in academia or not. I mean, even if I had not been academically unsuccessful during grad school I will get a piece of paper saying "You have a PhD" in the end. If you fail during your postdoc you are left with basically nothing. That’s a huge burden.

Re: Postdocs under pressure: ‘Can I even do this any more?’

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post #2

Postgraduate student depression and suicidality is at horrifying proportions. The universities don't care. No one cares. Academia is super fucked and super fucked up, and it just keeps marching onward with blindfold on and fingers in ears, yelling "LA LA LA LA" as loud as possible. Academic positions are basically gone. Whatever didn't vanish completely after the 2009 recession is definitely gone now. Universities co…

I can easily agree with part of what you are saying, but the fatalistic exaggerated tone of your claims makes it rather hard to start a constructive discussion and definitely does not prompt people to discuss how things can improve.

Re: Postdocs under pressure: ‘Can I even do this any more?’

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Serious question:

Why don’t they leave?

I’m not saying that they should, or that conditions shouldn’t improve, but if academia is that stressful to you, why stick with it? The only potential outcomes sticking with it are that you will fail later on, or you will fill a role with an increasing amount of stressors.

Re: Postdocs under pressure: ‘Can I even do this any more?’

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18% consider themselves a minority but 24% report racial discrimination which means some of the discrimination is by the minority against the majority?

Also 40% discrimination against women, there was so much hassle about women in tech and discrimination against them, usually perpetrated by all kind of academic types, now it turns out that almost every second woman is discriminated against in the academy world also?

I am sorry but all this data looks bogus to me, either it is wrong or we just back in the 17th century or something.

Re: Postdocs under pressure: ‘Can I even do this any more?’

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post #6

Serious question: Why don’t they leave? I’m not saying that they should, or that conditions shouldn’t improve, but if academia is that stressful to you, why stick with it? The only potential outcomes sticking with it are that you will fail later on, or you will fill a role with an increasing amount of stressors.

> or you will fill a role with an increasing amount of stressors

I think when you gain a fellowship or professorship in academia it does suddenly get a lot more relaxed and you get time and space to do what you want - which is the goal these postdocs are working towards.

Re: Postdocs under pressure: ‘Can I even do this any more?’

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post #4

I’m currently writing my dissertation and still debating whether to stay in academia or not. I mean, even if I had not been academically unsuccessful during grad school I will get a piece of paper saying "You have a PhD" in the end. If you fail during your postdoc you are left with basically nothing. That’s a huge burden.

> If you fail during your postdoc you are left with basically nothing.

Can't you go into industry? You'll have a PhD + more papers done along the way in your postdoc.

Re: Postdocs under pressure: ‘Can I even do this any more?’

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post #6

Serious question: Why don’t they leave? I’m not saying that they should, or that conditions shouldn’t improve, but if academia is that stressful to you, why stick with it? The only potential outcomes sticking with it are that you will fail later on, or you will fill a role with an increasing amount of stressors.

Sunk Cost Fallacy. (At least, I suspect that's a big part of it.)
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