Show HN: Working on a decentralized funding platform for independent ML research
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Re: Show HN: Working on a decentralized funding platform for independent ML research
#2Over the years, AI/ML research has become more and more centralized (at least in my opinion) with companies like OpenAI, DeepMind, etc. This has its pros and cons, but I think it would be great for the field to have more independent researchers with the flexibility to explore new ideas without being tied to any one institution. Independent research used to be much more common (with pretty great results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_scientist), and I think with the internet and remote work, there’s no reason it can’t make a comeback. To that end, I’ve been working on a platform to connect independent ML researchers to independent backers who can provide ongoing funding on a monthly basis (similar to a Substack or Patreon model). This is definitely a platform I’ll be interested in using myself, but I’m curious to see if others would be as well and to hear any feedback.
Re: Show HN: Working on a decentralized funding platform for independent ML research
#3Over the years, AI/ML research has become more and more centralized (at least in my opinion) with companies like OpenAI, DeepMind, etc. This has its pros and cons, but I think it would be great for the field to have more independent researchers with the flexibility to explore new ideas without being tied to any one institution. Independent research used to be much more common (with pretty great results: https://en.wi…
What are some ways this will differ from Patreon and similar platforms? Put another way, what are some changes being made to that funding model to better support machine learning research specifically?
Supposing this platform is successful, is there an interest in expanding beyond machine learning? Why machine learning specifically? Is it what you know best, or is there some other reason to fovus specifically on ML?
Re: Show HN: Working on a decentralized funding platform for independent ML research
#4Over the years, AI/ML research has become more and more centralized (at least in my opinion) with companies like OpenAI, DeepMind, etc. This has its pros and cons, but I think it would be great for the field to have more independent researchers with the flexibility to explore new ideas without being tied to any one institution. Independent research used to be much more common (with pretty great results: https://en.wi…
What are some ways this will differ from Patreon and similar platforms? Put another way, what are some changes being made to that funding model to better support machine learning research specifically? Supposing this platform is successful, is there an interest in expanding beyond machine learning? Why machine learning specifically? Is it what you know best, or is there some other reason to fovus specifically on ML?
Good questions. I think the key difference will be in the topic/market focus. The creator/artist market (e.g., Patreon) is different enough from the researcher market that I don't think people browsing Patreon (on average) would be interested in backing graph neural network research, for example. From there, it will be about tailoring the platform to researchers' (and their backers') needs which could include a bunch of things like facilitating connections between other researchers and "advisors", (hopefully) being able to provide cloud/GPU discounts, having different standard rewards (e.g., a backer's name listed on a paper), etc.
If there is enough interest, I'd definitely want to expand to other areas, but AI/ML seemed like a good place to start since it's where I'm most familiar and there's not much overhead in terms of needing lab space, etc.
Re: Show HN: Working on a decentralized funding platform for independent ML research
#5Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are some ways this will differ from Patreon and similar platforms? Put another way, what are some changes being made to that funding model to better support machine learning research specifically? Supposing this platform is successful, is there an interest in expanding beyond machine learning? Why machine learning specifically? Is it what you know best, or is there some other reason to fovus specifically on ML?
Good questions. I think the key difference will be in the topic/market focus. The creator/artist market (e.g., Patreon) is different enough from the researcher market that I don't think people browsing Patreon (on average) would be interested in backing graph neural network research, for example. From there, it will be about tailoring the platform to researchers' (and their backers') needs which could include a bunch…
Thanks for the answers. More questions if you're feeling up to it:
Will there be any sort of requirements to "demonstrate progress" to the funders (even if that means the results of a failed experiment or some sort of open lab notebook)?
Does all research need to terminate in a paper (as opposed to, say, tooling)?
In fact, how does accountability work in this system? Do researchers need to provide a provisional timeline? Research can fail or take unexpected turns away from the initial goal, and this may or may not make funders nervous. I guess this might be a way of asking: are participants funding people, or are they funding projects?
Will there be requirements to make all papers produced freely available? All source code? Is this at the researcher's discretion?
Suppose something profitable, or merely patentable, comes out of a Strato funded stint. Do the funders have any stake in such an outcome?
This sort of thing excites me, so I do hope you find some sort of success.