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Mishima in the Twenty First Century

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Mishima is unfortunately pretty popular in the alt-rightish kinds of circles too (one of the few articles I could find about him in English were published on Quilette, for instance), but don't let that colour your impression too much. There's worlds of difference between the kind of nationalism and militarist creed that Mishima was espousing, and whatever people latch onto his work. (Which is not to say that the appropriation is not at least in part understandable.)

Nevertheless, I think Mishima is best interpreted completely on his own terms, as he essentially gave a blueprint for his life in his work - and vice versa. His personal life story and the themes he engages are both equally as fascinating and deeply intertwined, and I personally feel there's lots of beautiful and unique insights about the sorts of questions that are timeless.

I can only recommend Schrader's Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters (curiously not mentioned in this article.) It's obviously a rather poetic/movie-style retelling of Mishima's work and story, and I did go into it rather sceptical, seeing as its context is rather removed from Mishima's, but it actually holds together really well, and I never felt that at any point the movie did not give the material the time and depth it deserved. Check it out if the article piqued your interest.

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Mishima is unfortunately pretty popular in the alt-rightish kinds of circles too (one of the few articles I could find about him in English were published on Quilette, for instance), but don't let that colour your impression too much. There's worlds of difference between the kind of nationalism and militarist creed that Mishima was espousing, and whatever people latch onto his work. (Which is not to say that the appr…

Yes I'm sure Mishima would have loved to see his own country flooded with migrants. When you think about it, Mishima was totally a liberal ally, not like those other right-wingers. /s

>In the sociological sense, recuperation is the process by which politically radical ideas and images are twisted, co-opted, absorbed, defused, incorporated, annexed or commodified within media culture and bourgeois society, and thus become interpreted through a neutralized, innocuous or more socially conventional perspective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recuperation_(politics)

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Mishima is unfortunately pretty popular in the alt-rightish kinds of circles too (one of the few articles I could find about him in English were published on Quilette, for instance), but don't let that colour your impression too much. There's worlds of difference between the kind of nationalism and militarist creed that Mishima was espousing, and whatever people latch onto his work. (Which is not to say that the appr…

Yes I'm sure Mishima would have loved to see his own country flooded with migrants. When you think about it, Mishima was totally a liberal ally, not like those other right-wingers. /s > In the sociological sense, recuperation is the process by which politically radical ideas and images are twisted, co-opted, absorbed, defused, incorporated, annexed or commodified within media culture and bourgeois society, and thus b…

I'm not aware of any left-leaning attempts to recuperate his image, but sure, if someone really claims that they're lying. But any adoption of his ideology into the modern alt-right, IDW, or nationalist populist movements currently in vogue are also firmly recuperation. Mishima was absolutely right-wing, but also would find no common ground with e.g. Quilette (at least nominally an extremely pro-Enlightenment, pro-capitalist, pro-West line), the materialist and populist aspects of Trumpism, or the crassness of the alt-right.

A quote from Spring Snow comes to mind:

"Your slow-witted friends—with their sentimentality, their vicious narrow-mindedness that condemns as effeminate anyone who is not like themselves, their harassment of the underclassmen, their fanatical worship of General Nogi... you with all your sensitivity will be seen cheek-by-jowl with these people when they stop to think about our times in years to come. You see, this is the easiest way to establish the essence of our era — to take the lowest common denominator. Once the churning water has settled to a calm surface, you can see the rainbow oil slick floating there. And that’s the way it will be. After we’re all dead, it will be easy to analyze us and isolate our basic elements for everyone to see. And of course this essence, the thought that is the foundation of our era, will be considered quite benighted a hundred years from now. And you and I have no way of escaping the verdict, no way to prove that we didn’t share the discredited views of our contemporaries. And what standard will history apply to that outlook? What do you think? The thoughts of the geniuses of our age? Of great men? Not at all. Those who come after us and decide what was in our minds will adopt the criterion of the uncritical thought patterns of your friends on the kendo team. In other words, they’ll seize upon the most primitive and popular credos of our day. You see every era has always been characterized solely in terms of such idiocies."

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The conclusion made in this article resonates with a point made by George Orwell in his 1940 review of Mein Kampf that has never ceased to fascinate me:

"Also [Hitler] has grasped the falsity of the hedonistic attitude to life. Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all ‘progressive’ thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security and avoidance of pain. In such a view of life there is no room, for instance, for patriotism and the military virtues. The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers; tin pacifists somehow won’t do. Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flags and loyalty-parades. However they may be as economic theories, Fascism and Nazism are psychologically far sounder than any hedonistic conception of life. The same is probably true of Stalin’s militarised version of Socialism. All three of the great dictators have enhanced their power by imposing intolerable burdens on their peoples. Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people ‘I offer you a good time,’ Hitler has said to them ‘I offer you struggle, danger and death,’ and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet."

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The conclusion made in this article resonates with a point made by George Orwell in his 1940 review of Mein Kampf that has never ceased to fascinate me: "Also [Hitler] has grasped the falsity of the hedonistic attitude to life. Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all ‘progressive’ thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security and avoidance of pain. In such a…

source http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks16/1600051h.html

Re: Mishima in the Twenty First Century

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Maybe it's a vast over-simplification as the article notes, but you cannot get away from the fact that what Mishima did was carry out a right-wing reactionary attempt to incite a military coup against a democratically elected government over what was essentially a culture war.

The kind of person who looks romantically at that disgusts me. we need a Mishima? By all means, be the first to spill your guts and call for a violent military overthrow because radical violence is the answer to the culture-war not going your way. I'm sure the Nazis will be far less willing than the Paris Commune to hijack Zoom, Netflix, Uber Eats and future products of Big Data and AI to keep you singing the party's tune. The only kind of people who look romantically at that kind of violence are the ones who feel it will never touch them, who are so safe they can't imagine the suffering. I'm sure the author feels happy giving Nouveau-Mishima the thumbs up because he tacitly thinks he'll be on the last flight out to watch the fireworks from the safety of a Paris cafe.

Lets say the 'shock' against this 'Last Man' isn't a call from the author for violence and political revolution because the Culture War isn't breaking his way. What's the Nouveau-Mishima supposed to do here? Besides some old man grumbling about "them d*mn kids and their nebulous and scary AI" it's not really identified what exactly we're being complacent in. I'm afraid this feels like more angry impotent pot-stirring mixed with a bit of rehabilitation.

The conservative's "Last Man" seems to come and go every century unabated, and with it the reactionary conservative backlash that oddly only ever seems to seek to turn back the clock a decade or two. We're always so arrogant in thinking that the present is so different than the past.

The sentiment that the world will ever be devoid of struggle to me is naive. The fear of the "fall of struggle" is like fear of the "rise of productivity". We all thought that the rise in productivity would mean less work and thus laziness; instead productivity is sky-high and we're all working ourselves to death. More productivity just means more opportunity for work. Likewise, People are naturally tuned to find struggle and risk, and they will redefine their selves and situations until they have it. Free of our old burdens, we'll just find new vaster ones. If you need the Noble Savage stuff to create art, wisdom, or whatever other product your spoiled mind think society has to produce to have 'worth', it's gonna be there, I promise.

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Mishima's late-life militarism and his death tend to overshadow his early work. Both "Confessions of a Mask" and "Temple of the Golden Pavilion" are masterpieces, and you can see the raw impulses that motivated him, before he sublimated them to a political agenda.

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Philip Glass' soundtrack to the 80's film Mishima has become one of my favourite albums. The "Mishima VI, Closing" piece is some of his best work.

The author's final observation, "Perhaps we need a Mishima to shock us out of our complacency." is something he should be careful about wishing for. (Though the idea of Ian McEwan storming a military base was very funny, I thought Stephen Fry would be even better equipped. "...ah, well, right then, moving along..." )

What makes Mishima so dangerous today is that he produced beautiful art and culture from which the downstream political conclusions were unavoidable. This is one side effect of good art. Political theory itself is a kind of vulgar pseudo intellectual haggling compared to aesthetic truths and their self evidence that great art demonstrates. As an example from another of today's threads, a Chopin mazurka does more for Polish national identity than any explanation could do. Writing itself is an inferior (but necessary) form because it only describes in a narrow dimension instead of demonstrates over multiple senses. This is what I think Misihma also understood. I only read the Sea of Fertility books (in English some years ago) and they're demanding, but this muscular and humane expression of aesthetic truth and even divine power is the seed for the survival of the human spirit. A revolt against becoming the bland, homogenized "last man," may very well originate from the sentiments Mishima was able to bring words and life to.

Re: Mishima in the Twenty First Century

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Maybe it's a vast over-simplification as the article notes, but you cannot get away from the fact that what Mishima did was carry out a right-wing reactionary attempt to incite a military coup against a democratically elected government over what was essentially a culture war. The kind of person who looks romantically at that disgusts me. we need a Mishima? By all means, be the first to spill your guts and call for a…

> against a democratically elected government

I believe calling the Japanese government of that era "democratically elected" is a bit of a stretch if you consider that the exact same party stayed in power from the mid-fifties to the mid-nineties [1]

For a long while after the war, Japanese politics were essentially controlled by the west, something Mishima and many like him - quite understandbly - resented deeply.

[1] https://escholarship.org/uc/item/5gm0f2jf

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