NixCon Live

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Post by FRidh » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 11:23 AM UTC

NixCon Live
2020.nixcon.org

Re: NixCon Live

#2

Post by ghuntley » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 11:47 AM UTC

Jump in chat at https://www.irccloud.com/irc/freenode.net/channel/nixcon

YouTube link at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sQa04olUA0

Re: NixCon Live

#3

Post by nikivi » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 12:37 PM UTC

I hope Nix takes off for one reason. I don't want people to do same builds again and again especially for Rust it's painful.

I want to install binaries with cargo instead of doing the same build again and again. Similar to https://cachix.org

I don't honestly know why that isn't the case yet, perhaps storing binaries takes too much storage that Mozilla doesn't have money for. Or perhaps it can't do guarantees like the ones Nix gives to allow binaries being shared of builds.

This is the main reason that makes interfacing with Rust as a plain user a pain.

Re: NixCon Live

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Post by domenkozar » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 12:55 PM UTC

Next talk starts at 15 UTC, that is in 2 hours.

I'll be speaking how about how to get Nix to become mainstream.

Re: NixCon Live

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Post by moocowtruck » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 12:57 PM UTC

nix work on windows natively yet?

Re: NixCon Live

#6

Post by exdsq » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:06 PM UTC

moocowtruck wrote: post #5

nix work on windows natively yet?

No, bane of my life. It’s glitchy even with WSL2.

Re: NixCon Live

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Post by anka-213 » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:22 PM UTC

exdsq wrote: post #6

moocowtruck wrote: post #5

nix work on windows natively yet?

No, bane of my life. It’s glitchy even with WSL2.

What problems have you had in WSL2?

Re: NixCon Live

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Post by zhenyavinogrdov » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:29 PM UTC

nikivi wrote: post #3

I hope Nix takes off for one reason. I don't want people to do same builds again and again especially for Rust it's painful. I want to install binaries with cargo instead of doing the same build again and again. Similar to https://cachix.org I don't honestly know why that isn't the case yet, perhaps storing binaries takes too much storage that Mozilla doesn't have money for. Or perhaps it can't do guarantees like the…

The situation for installing haskell programs with nix is great, practically everything from hackage is available in the binary cache.

Re: NixCon Live

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Post by nikivi » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:31 PM UTC

zhenyavinogrdov wrote: post #8

nikivi wrote: post #3

I hope Nix takes off for one reason. I don't want people to do same builds again and again especially for Rust it's painful. I want to install binaries with cargo instead of doing the same build again and again. Similar to https://cachix.org I don't honestly know why that isn't the case yet, perhaps storing binaries takes too much storage that Mozilla doesn't have money for. Or perhaps it can't do guarantees like the…

The situation for installing haskell programs with nix is great, practically everything from hackage is available in the binary cache.

Is this harder to achieve for the Rust ecosystem (due to some properties of Haskell perhaps)? Or just no one put in the effort in doing it?

Is it expensive to maintain all the binaries for all of Hackage?

Re: NixCon Live

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Post by zaphar » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:34 PM UTC

nikivi wrote: post #9

zhenyavinogrdov wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation for installing haskell programs with nix is great, practically everything from hackage is available in the binary cache.

Is this harder to achieve for the Rust ecosystem (due to some properties of Haskell perhaps)? Or just no one put in the effort in doing it? Is it expensive to maintain all the binaries for all of Hackage?

It's not inherent to the language. It's inherent in the build tooling. Back in the cabal days haskell had the same problems. Nix is a more hermetic build and packaging tool which is why it's better at it.