A Short Story About SQL’s Biggest Rival
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A Short Story About SQL’s Biggest Rival
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#2Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24709031
As I said the last time this came around: The end of this isn't quite right. The Postgres project started in 1986. I don't recall what language it used, QUEL perhaps, but it wasn't SQL. SQL support was added between 1994 and 1996, and that's when PostgreSQL was born.
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#3Learn cj date and codd those days before even oracle is a thing. It is such a hard sell we have to go through IMS and network db and the only rdb is dbase II. At least we get db2 before we do foxbase.
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#4I'd been aware of Codd's relational theory, but never heard of QUEL – now I want to find a database engine that implements QUEL!
Re: A Short Story About SQL’s Biggest Rival
#5Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24709031 As I said the last time this came around: The end of this isn't quite right. The Postgres project started in 1986. I don't recall what language it used, QUEL perhaps, but it wasn't SQL. SQL support was added between 1994 and 1996, and that's when PostgreSQL was born.
My exam question when turn up at work in 1987 is “what is 3rd normal form?” And as to why reduce redundancy still recall my answer. That is 1987.
Ingres sorry only know ultimately we will one to db2. What is Ingres?
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#6I'd been aware of Codd's relational theory, but never heard of QUEL – now I want to find a database engine that implements QUEL!
As far as I'm aware only Ingres supports QUEL
Edit: In case you actually do want to play with it, Ingres is now Actian IngresX. Though I'd recommend thinking about what could have been instead of actually spending any time fighting with and configuring Ingres.
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#7I'd been aware of Codd's relational theory, but never heard of QUEL – now I want to find a database engine that implements QUEL!
Postgres originally implemented QUEL, until Postgres95 which implemented SQL (later renamed to Postgresql)
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#8Good history.
But, thanks to https://github.com/haskell-beam/beam I no longer need to worry about the COBOL-ness of SQL without giving up the semantics. Finally!
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#9Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24709031 As I said the last time this came around: The end of this isn't quite right. The Postgres project started in 1986. I don't recall what language it used, QUEL perhaps, but it wasn't SQL. SQL support was added between 1994 and 1996, and that's when PostgreSQL was born.
I don't see the contradiction you mention. Stonebraker returned to Berkeley in 1985. The article doesn't say the Postgres project started in 1985. It says Stonebraker started a post-Ingres project then. The query language at that time might have been either QUEL or POSTQUEL [1]
But the ending as it is written seems correct to me.
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#10I'd been aware of Codd's relational theory, but never heard of QUEL – now I want to find a database engine that implements QUEL!
As far as I'm aware only Ingres supports QUEL Edit: In case you actually do want to play with it, Ingres is now Actian IngresX. Though I'd recommend thinking about what could have been instead of actually spending any time fighting with and configuring Ingres.
The latest iteration is actually called 'ActianX', and it's a continuation of Ingres plus support for column-based tables from the 'Vector' product acquired by Actian.
QUEL is still there, but its functionality has been frozen for years and, in terms of bells and whistles, is way behind modern SQL.
If you do want to try it, I had no trouble installing it on my home Ubuntu system a couple of years ago. Ingres is pretty easy to use in some ways. If you want to make a database, you just type "createdb mydatabase" at the command line.