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James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Re: James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Post by lhoff »

jgalt212 wrote: post #2

clearly the talk show format of 10 minutes with a guest with a few commercials interspersed in is very far from ideal, but just as far from ideal is 1h51m with a guest. Has someone posted a shorted edited version of this yet?

I listend to the interview as a podcast. It could have gone on for another hour if you ask me. I really like the long form interviews. It allows the guest to not just make there point but to tell the story how they came to that conclusion. That way its easier, at least for me, to internalise that knowledge.

There is a podcast run by the german newspaper "Die Zeit" [1] where the concept is that the interview goes on until the guest thinks everything is said. The episodes usually last between 4 and 8 hours. The longest taking 9h 40 minutes.

There is one episode with Ian McEwan that is recoded in english if someone that doesn't speak german is interested. That one just takes 2h so its not really a good example.

[1]https://www.zeit.de/serie/alles-gesagt [2]https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/2019-12/ian-mcewan-intervie...

Re: James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Post by notyourwork »

jgalt212 wrote: post #2

clearly the talk show format of 10 minutes with a guest with a few commercials interspersed in is very far from ideal, but just as far from ideal is 1h51m with a guest. Has someone posted a shorted edited version of this yet?

> clearly the talk show format of 10 minutes with a guest with a few commercials interspersed in is very far from ideal,

Why is this clearly not ideal? I think you're being overly critical of the production. If the format isn't ideal for your consumption, you don't have to watch it.

Re: James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Post by teddyh »

Richard Stallman on James Gosling:

“[…] a friend of mine told me that because of his work in early development of Gosling Emacs, he had permission from Gosling in a message he had been sent to distribute his version of that. Gosling originally had set up his Emacs and distributed it free and gotten many people to help develop it, under the expectation based on Gosling’s own words in his own manual that he was going to follow the same spirit that I started with the original Emacs. Then he stabbed everyone in the back by putting copyrights on it, making people promise not to redistribute it and then selling it to a software-house. My later dealings with him personally showed that he was every bit as cowardly and despicable as you would expect from that history.”

— Richard Stallman, lecture at KTH (Sweden), 30 October 1986

Re: James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Post by II2II »

jgalt212 wrote: post #2

clearly the talk show format of 10 minutes with a guest with a few commercials interspersed in is very far from ideal, but just as far from ideal is 1h51m with a guest. Has someone posted a shorted edited version of this yet?

I just turned it on while doing housework and paused to listen more carefully to the interesting bits. Sometimes it's nice to listen to a person's own words on their own terms, rather than having those words filtered through the lens of someone else's perspectives.

Granted, this one is a bit special to me. I attended the same university as Gosling (decades later) so I could visualize the places and experiences he was talking about, while digging through old memories of my own. It's strange to think that a PDP that I saw in a trash heap may have been the machine he programmed on, and a prof that was teaching PDP assembly in the late-1990's may have been someone he learnt from.

Re: James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Post by non-entity »

II2II wrote: post #7
jgalt212 wrote: post #2

clearly the talk show format of 10 minutes with a guest with a few commercials interspersed in is very far from ideal, but just as far from ideal is 1h51m with a guest. Has someone posted a shorted edited version of this yet?

I just turned it on while doing housework and paused to listen more carefully to the interesting bits. Sometimes it's nice to listen to a person's own words on their own terms, rather than having those words filtered through the lens of someone else's perspectives. Granted, this one is a bit special to me. I attended the same university as Gosling (decades later) so I could visualize the places and experiences he was…

> It's strange to think that a PDP that I saw in a trash heap may have been the machine he programmed on

I certainly hope you don't mean a literal trash heap.

Re: James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Post by wazoox »

jgalt212 wrote: post #2

clearly the talk show format of 10 minutes with a guest with a few commercials interspersed in is very far from ideal, but just as far from ideal is 1h51m with a guest. Has someone posted a shorted edited version of this yet?

Actually Lex does this on his other channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/LexClips/videos

Here is the 9 minutes part on Emacs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA7aB-oxjVc

More are to come.

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