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What's wrong with social science and how to fix it

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Re: What's wrong with social science and how to fix it

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This guy overstates his case somewhat. Consider:

"If the original study says an intervention raises math scores by .5 standard deviations and the replication finds that the effect is .2 standard deviations (though still significant), that is considered a success that vindicates the original study!"

Why the exclamation point here? The replication study isn't magically more accurate than the original study. If the original paper finds an 0.5 standard deviation effect and the replication study finds an 0.2 standard deviation effect, that increases our confidence that a real effect was measured, but there's no reason to believe that the replication study is more accurate than the original study. Maybe the true effect is less than measured, but maybe not. So yes, it should be considered a success.

Re: What's wrong with social science and how to fix it

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> Even if all the statistical, p-hacking, publication bias, etc. issues were fixed, we'd still be left with a ton of ad-hoc hypotheses based, at best, on (WEIRD) folk intuitions.

This is the quiet part which most social scientists, particularly psychologists, don't want to discuss or admit: WEIRD [0] selection bias massively distorts which effects are inherent to humans and which are socially learned. You'll hear people today crowing about how Big Five [1] is globally reproducible, but never explaining why, and never questioning whether personality traits are shaped by society; it's hard not to look at them as we look today at Freudians and Jungians, arrogantly wrong about how people think.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology#WEIRD_bias

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits

Re: What's wrong with social science and how to fix it

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post #3

This guy overstates his case somewhat. Consider: "If the original study says an intervention raises math scores by .5 standard deviations and the replication finds that the effect is .2 standard deviations (though still significant), that is considered a success that vindicates the original study!" Why the exclamation point here? The replication study isn't magically more accurate than the original study. If the orig…

If someone is selling you on rethinking an entire discipline they are probably overstating their case a bit. Or you’re ignoring them outright.

That doesn’t mean they’re wrong, necessarily. Overcoming inertia is a huge challenge. Daunting, even.

Re: What's wrong with social science and how to fix it

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post #3

This guy overstates his case somewhat. Consider: "If the original study says an intervention raises math scores by .5 standard deviations and the replication finds that the effect is .2 standard deviations (though still significant), that is considered a success that vindicates the original study!" Why the exclamation point here? The replication study isn't magically more accurate than the original study. If the orig…

It depends on how the replication is done, but the big replication projects typically use very large sample sizes compared to the original studies, so their error bars are much smaller.

Re: What's wrong with social science and how to fix it

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It's common to see this topic: what's "wrong" with social science. But there are always some things wrong with every science. If nothing was wrong, there wouldn't be any science left to do.

Social science asks more of us than any other science. Physics demands that we respect electricity and don't increase the infrared opacity of the atmosphere. Chemistry requires that we not emit sulfur and nitrogen compounds into the air. But social sciences will not rarely call for the restructuring of the whole society.

This is the "problem" with social science, or more properly, with the relationship between the social sciences and the society at large. When we call for "scientific" politics, it is a relatively small ask from the natural sciences, but it is a revolution -- even the social scientists themselves use this word -- when the social sciences are included in the list (Economics is no different). Psychology, as usual, falls somewhere in between.

So the relationship between the social scientists and the politicians may never be as cordial as the relationship between the natural sciences and the politicians. The "physics envy", where social scientists lament that they do not receive the kind of deference that natural scientists do, will have to be tempered by the understanding that the cost of such deference differs widely.

(All of this is ignoring that physics had a 200-year head start)

Re: What's wrong with social science and how to fix it

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post #3

This guy overstates his case somewhat. Consider: "If the original study says an intervention raises math scores by .5 standard deviations and the replication finds that the effect is .2 standard deviations (though still significant), that is considered a success that vindicates the original study!" Why the exclamation point here? The replication study isn't magically more accurate than the original study. If the orig…

I'm sorry, but this is such a ridiculous counter argument I'm speechless.

An explanation point as criticism?

>How dare he wear tweed, his argument is invalid.

>The replication study isn't magically more accurate than the original study. If the original paper finds an 0.5 standard deviation effect and the replication study finds an 0.2 standard deviation effect, that increases our confidence that a real effect was measured

It also increased our confidence that the effect is small enough to be ignored. You can't pretend that the two studies are independent from each other. The second is directly the result of the first and you need to use Bayesian methods to calculate your belief of the result. The questions of 'is there an effect' and 'the effect size is >= 0.5 sd' give you two vastly different probabilities and vastly different policy responses.

Re: What's wrong with social science and how to fix it

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post #7

It's common to see this topic: what's "wrong" with social science. But there are always some things wrong with every science. If nothing was wrong, there wouldn't be any science left to do. Social science asks more of us than any other science. Physics demands that we respect electricity and don't increase the infrared opacity of the atmosphere. Chemistry requires that we not emit sulfur and nitrogen compounds into t…

>Physics demands that we respect electricity and don't increase the infrared opacity of the atmosphere.

Physics does no such thing. It tells us that increasing the heat retained in the atmosphere increases the planets surface temperature. It is a descriptive science. Not a prescriptive one. Wanting to have industrial civilization possible in the next century is why you don't increase the infrared opacity of the atmosphere. But that is a value judgment far outside the scope of physics, and one social sciences claim is theirs by right of ... something.

The metaphors people use to think about the natural world are terrible, or as Carl Sagan put it Demon-Haunted.

The reason why physics, and other hard sciences, are so useful and respected is that you can switch dependent and independent variables around with a lot of success.

If I have the ideal gas law:

PV = nRT

Then I can rearrange it and be fairly confident it still works.

P = nRT/V

If you are an engineer this is a godsend. You want to set a hard value for P but can only directly control V or T? Try the second equation! You have a chance at succeeding without having to spend decades building machines that blow up and kill everyone around them!

Politicians see that and are jealous. Surely if those lame eggheads can get things to work like that we can too. So the social sciences give you equations as well. After a bunch of statistics we see that:

time spent in school = a*wealth - c

We can't control wealth, but we can control how long people spend in school:

wealth = (time spend in school + c)/a

So if we force everyone to stay in school until they are 50 everyone will have 20 million dollars in their bank accounts.

And to anyone who asks how this works, politicians say: Why are you against science and hate poor people?

Re: What's wrong with social science and how to fix it

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post #4

> Even if all the statistical, p-hacking, publication bias, etc. issues were fixed, we'd still be left with a ton of ad-hoc hypotheses based, at best, on (WEIRD) folk intuitions. This is the quiet part which most social scientists, particularly psychologists, don't want to discuss or admit: WEIRD [0] selection bias massively distorts which effects are inherent to humans and which are socially learned. You'll hear peo…

The people who use Hanlon's razor to explain away malice are both incompetent and malicious. Only someone who is an idiot would ever think to use 'I'm very stupid' as an excuse or explanation why they did something very damaging. If you are smart enough to realize you are incompetent after the fact you were smart enough to realize it before the fact, and that means you were malicious in not recusing yourself.
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